Your attempting to create your own version of histroy with a coin. The way you think is on the brink of severe retardation. You have not or can not challenge facts. You like every god damn afrocentrist, base your facts on circumstance rather than historical fact and science.
HANNI_X wrote:
The elephant depicted on the reverse of the coin is an Indian elephant. Hannibal is said to have used African elephants in his corps and so his detractors have said they belonged to the era of Pyrrhus of Epirus. However the coin is dated at around 217 BC, and Pyrrhus's invasion of Italy took place decades earlier. The battle of Heraclea took place in 280 BC. The elephant Hannibal rode during this period was the only surviving one. Hannibal could have had a few Indian elephants in his corps or even obtained surviving offsprings of Pyrrhus' elephants.
A biographer of Hannibal, Gavin de Beer, has admitted that the Indian elephant portrayed is Surus, Hannibal's favourite. This is what he says in his book: "Hannibal: Challenging Rome's Supremacy." :
“Hannibal rode the sole remaining elephant, an animal which may have found its way into history, for some years later Cato the Elder recorded that the elephant which fought most bravely in the Second Punic War was called Surus…[an] Indian elephant…a bronze coin found in the valley of the Clanis (Chgiana), on Hannibal’s route to Lake Trasimene, bears on the obverse a Negro’s head… and on the reverse an equally obvious Indian elephant. It is believed to have been minted at just about this time, 217 BC…[and] bears a representation of Hannibal’s sole surviving elephant, the Indian Surus.”
Hahaha, No where does it say the coin depicts Hannibal. YOU SOURCED THIS sh*t FROM A BOOK CALLED "GREAT BLACK LEADERS" OR SOME BULLSHIT LIKE THAT. It belongs in the fantasy section because it has no historical or scientific merit. The afrocentrist author who quoted de Beer cut off half of the quote mid sentence. This shows he must have something to hide. You should at finish the quote.
I didnt see you quoting the other sources of your history changing find. Hmmm
Commentary on this enigmatic issue has focused on the significance of the elephant, which appears to be Indian rather than African. This zoological observation seems to rule out a reference to the Carthaginian elephants and thus poses a challenge to dating this coin to the time of the Second Punic War. Yet E.S.G. Robinson, in NC 1964, pp. 47–48, proposed an interpretation that overcomes these difficulties. He submitted that the
association of the elephant with an African head, probably representing the animal’s driver, points to an African origin. Rather than dating the coin issue to the time of Hannibal’s invasion, Robinson drew attention to
the disaffection of Rome’s Etruscan allies in 208–207,
centered on the town of Arretium, and suggested that the coin types expressed the seditious hope that Hasdrubal would arrive to reinforce his brother. In these historical circumstances, the elephant was a symbol,
perhaps copied from earlier coin types, rather than a portrayal from life. Again NO where does it state it was representing Hannibal Barca. It was a symbol. The fact that it cant even depcit the elephant accuratley shows you have NO basis for your bullshit.
Hannibal - Silver double shekel, c. 230 BC, The British Museum
The thing there are numerous coins from that period. Here are threee coins from the era. Now I could do exactly what you did and say well all three are of Hannibal. But I prefer to reinforce the obvious.
AR dishekel, shekel - male head / horse standing before palm tree
AR ½ & ¼ shekel - male head/ horse standing
Also from the same period.
The face is beardless with different features than the previous dishekel and is considered to be Hannibal Barca. The last series from 218-209 BC has a beardless head on the obverse, also thought to be a portrait of Hannibal. The dishekel and shekel had a horse standing before a palm tree on the reverse, while the ½ and ¼ shekel have reverses with a horse standing
A sicilian coin from the same period. OH ITS GOT A f***** ELEPHANT ON IT. IT MUST BE HANNIBAL
If the elephant in question belongs to Hannibal, is it not reasonable to assume that the obverse is Hannibal himself? After all the Carthaginians usually portrayed important individuals on their statues, coins or stelae. Hannibal was an aristocrat
Wow you are basing all your evidence on this assumption. The world does not work like this. They also put ANIMALS on their coins. Well Im gonna assume that horses rode men then took over rome. This is exacty what you are doing. There is no evidence to back your concocted bullshit.
Statues you say?
Hannibal
His Father, Hamilcar
He was also a descendant of Canaanites; the Greeks called them Phoenicians. In an earlier version of the Babylonain Talmud we are told that the Canaanites were cursed and became Black as a result. Does this not mean that the earliest Phoenicians/Canaanites/Carthaginians were Blacks before the influx of other races?
The middle east was never inhabited by blacks. Where the f&%k do you get this afrocentrist bullshit from? If you honestly think men from the middle east were black you need an education.
A pheonecian glass head.
Lets look at DNA. If you dont want to read it I will summarise one of the key points.
"Today's Lebanese, the Phoenicians, and the Canaanites before them are all the same people."In the Wake of the Phoenicians
By Cassandra Franklin-Barbajosa
The idea is fascinating. Who among us hasn't considered our heritage and wondered if we might be descended from ancient royalty or some prominent historical figure? Led by a long-standing interest in the impact of ancient empires on the modern gene pool, geneticist and National Geographic emerging explorer Spencer Wells, with colleague Pierre Zalloua of the American University of Beirut, expanded on that question two years ago as they embarked on a genetic study of the Phoenicians, a first millennium B.C. sea empire that over several hundred years spread across the Mediterranean from the Levant, a coastal region in what is now Lebanon.
The Romans conquered the Phoenicians during the Punic Wars, destroying much of their culture. "In many ways, they've been quite enigmatic," says Wells. "We know they existed, but we know very little about them. Why did they suddenly arise and start to spread around 1200 B.C.? And what impact did they have on other peoples in the Mediterranean? We've tried to use DNA, the genetic material we all carry in our bodies, to answer those questions."
Supported by a grant from National Geographic's Committee for Research and Exploration, the scientists collected blood samples from men living in the Middle East, North Africa, southern Spain, and Malta, places the Phoenicians are known to have settled and traded. Starting with between 500 and 1,000 well-typed samples, they began looking at the Y chromosome, the piece of DNA that traces a purely male line of descent. The goal was to answer two questions: What was the impact of a group the ancient Egyptians referred to as the Sea Peoples, who apparently arrived in the Levant region about 1200 B.C. just before the Phoenician culture began to flower and expand? And can we use genetics to trace the expansion of the Phoenician empire? What the study has revealed so far, detailed in "Who Were the Phoenicians?" in the October issue of National Geographic, is compelling.
"We're not seeing a significant genetic influence from elsewhere on the coastal population in what was the Levant region," says Wells. "The people are very similar to the groups we see inland in Syria and Jordan, for example, suggesting that there wasn't a huge influx of Sea Peoples or others from outside the area. A cultural shift occurred but not a genetic one. Today's Lebanese, the Phoenicians, and the Canaanites before them are all the same people."
Here are some Lebanese. Genetically the same as their pheonecians ancestors.
More DNA. Basically J2 was found in the Pheonecians and is in no way negro. The middle east was never a land of blacks. Deal with it and stop trying to steal other poeples history.
In human genetics, Haplogroup J2 (M172) is a Y-chromosome haplogroup which is a subdivision of haplogroup J.
HALOPGROUP J2 - is widely believed to be associated with the spread of agriculture from the northern Fertile Crescent, the Levant (i.e. Lebanon, Palestine, Israel, Iraq, Iran, Syria), and Anatolia (i.e. Turkey). This connection is supported by its age (8,500 - 3,500 thousand years ago), which is very close to the beginning of the Neothilithic, its distribution, which is centered in West Asia and Southern Europe, as well as its association with the presence of Neolithic archaeological artifacts, such as figurines and painted pottery.
Now I dare you to challenge all I have presented. If you dont YOU KNOW you are wrong.
By avoiding the simple questions you are admitting that Hannibal was a North African caucasian.
Ill put the picture up so you dont forget to answer my so simplest of questions.
. Uncle Malcom, is this what makes an Uncle Tom?
stop assuming sh*t thats your problem u assume that if someone doesnt agree totally with you they are for white supremacy
