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Postby maradona » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:12 pm

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maradona wrote:Q think really hard about what is happening here. I think the kids dad is a pastor at some church. if you start paying attention to his story he is pretty much describing the believes of his dad church and exactly how the europeans want us to believe what jesus look like( he describe jesus as blue eye blond hair in one of the youtube video). so my question is why does it always have to be something that they believe for example why didnt he see mohammed or the other millions of gods and messiahs that we use to worship. if he was a muslim the story will be diferent, if he was chinese the story would be different.

I would be more impress if he saw mohammed because thats far from many christians thought and they never ever imagine him being in heaven or anywhere. i hope you know what im trying to say.

i think the family is just using it for their financial gain, they have written a book about it and I am sure they have made more money than they ever imagine, this is what the american dream is all about deceiving people and making as much money as you can even if it will hurt the victim in the long run.

then again i dont know the kid might be right and there is really heaven and hell. 8)


This is exactly what I was expecting you to say. I'm glad you made that observation. They have a Christian background. Trust me, there are many accounts of other Christians who have had near death experiences seeing what they believe in their religion, heaven, hell, Jesus, angels, white robs, choir etc. I don't doubt the boy's account at all but the religion of his parents is deep inside him even at that young age that, in a near death experience, he gets to see all what he's been taught in Sunday school.

Why don't you explore a little? There are Muslim accounts of near death experiences, there are Buddhists, there are those who embraced all religions experiences, there are those who are not religious at all, like the actress, Sharon Stone's account of NDE. No funny religious figures in it, nothing like that. This is why I asked why you don't wanna hear about others accounts of NDE.


alright boss i will check them out and let you know what i think.
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Postby Kwame Nyame 64 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:44 pm

Q,the talking,reading and listening is good.lt whets your appetite.They are the bankye and kosey the mind needs to chew on.
The baby milk is the doing.lt is taking practical steps to act.You want to experience whatever it is first hand.
Why do you think Christ said until you become as children,you shall not exprience the kingdom of heaven?
l used to play a game with my daughter when she was a nipper.She wld stand at the top of the stairs and throw herself to me at the bottom landing.Her brain hasn't developed to the level of allowing fear in.All she knows is that Daddy's arms are ever ready to catch her.
As she grew up,she'd hesitate or reduce the distance between us before jumping.
She will be 14 soon. l can still catch her if she threw herself down from the top stair.But she will not.Why? She knows what will happen if lm not able to catch her.She doesn't trust me 100% to be able to catch her.Fear and perhaps common sense will not allow her to take such risk.

Now back to the topic.
Fear of Death.Some fear death.Others don't fear death.
For those who fear death,some are resigned to fearing death.They want things to remain the way they are.They are not worried about getting rid of the fear of death.They have accepted this fear.
Then there are those who fear death and are looking for ways to get rid of the fear.Some have found solace in religion,philosophy and other humanities.
Some however would want to find out what death is and what lies beyond death.There are persons who wld do anything to find this out.
Death can be compared to the ancients who thought beyond the Rock of Gilbratar was nothingness;dark unknown.
Some of them accepted the known "fact" and didn't bother to worry about what this nothingness was all about.Others sat in the pubs and courts debating the nothingness.Some nutcases took vessels and sailed into the nothingness.
These nutcases didn't just find a whole continent bigger than the land they knew but even found life and civilization.
When we debate Fear of Death,there is room for all.There are those who don't care about the subject.They are those who will talk about it till the cows come home.They are those who would want to hear everything being said about it.
There's a small group who want to know so badly they are prepared to set sail beyond the rock of gilbratar.
We learn to crawl before walking.lt is good to take things step by step.lt is natural to live on fluids before starting on solids.
l cannot speak for anyone here.Personally,lm crawling and lm still taking fluids.lm a student.lm curious. l like to take things one step at a time. But l prefer to take a deep than get lectured on the temp of the river.
When you have a great yearning to know something,there is no room left for fear.
BTW,HU is a love song to God.When sang regularly,it fill your heart with love.lncreasingly,there will be less and less room for fear.
WHAT WOULD MAKE MARADONA believe without a shadow of a doubt about NDE?
Debates,explanations discussion can help.But Maradona will not be asking these questions if he has had NDE himself.
The little contribution l was making is that there are many ways to experience these things without necessarily having a near fatal accident.There are many ways.One way l know is to experience it by practicing a spiritual exercise.
Singing HU is the one l know.
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Postby Q' lypse » Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:19 am

captain_fred wrote:So who is asking this/these question(s)?
I can't explain the questions of death in terms of a "who" per-say, but I'd like to argue that death does occur at a TIME (when) and in a FORM(how). Spiritually, (depending on the individual's beliefs) you can answer "who" is asking these questions.
If spirit/soul/who you truly are doesn't/can't and knows it can't die then you know its the human ego/mind that is speaking, the limited conscious mind.

captain_fred wrote:Essentially yes, but then again, consider people who poor eating, exercising habits, isn't that also suicide in the broad sense? Insurance companies treat death like a business. :lol: Just like some people use their loved ones funerals to be flashy-flahsy
:lol: funny, business indeed. But what is proper eating habit? Food is food and we supposed to eat no? What would be suicide in eating?
But what is the purpose of smoking for the body, what is it use? What is alcohol's mission for the body, except maybe red wine? These are as deadly as putting water in a car's fuel tank.

captain_fred wrote:I personally there's more to an individual than the flesh, but where does the average person stand on that though? It's not everyone that believes in such things. I was analyzing the fear of death from a physical, fleshly view. Spiritually, it's different.

today I can tell you a good percentage of Christians will tell you we are spirit. But I don't know how many they believe in it, its a belief after all. They believe right after death, its heaven. But isn't it their same bible that also says when you die you go into a deep coma (the longest coma you will ever go into), Im talking about the deep sleep until the lord comes? And when he comes, through the sky (probably the biggest movie screen ever), all the bodies that have been buried will rise up from the dirt? The rotten bodies that are now dirt, the bodies that disintegrated in the deep sea, the bodies that were eating by other animals and insects will miraculously manifest. Ehi! Mo hw3 ni yie oo, hmm. So which is which? You take the spirit or the deep coma dirt? Your untouchable bible says so.
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Postby quophi aletse » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:08 am

Q' lypse wrote: :lol: funny, business indeed. But what is proper eating habit? Food is food and we supposed to eat no? What would be suicide in eating?
But what is the purpose of smoking for the body, what is it use? What is alcohol's mission for the body, except maybe red wine? These are as deadly as putting water in a car's fuel tank.


yes we can all eat more beneficially to our bodies as compared to wat is being paraded in north america/western societies as food......

eg meat stays in ur stomach for too long and is more dense as compared to plants base food...... but that doesnt mean if u eat meat u are bad or less or watever ...... u desire a lighter physical body eat lighter energetic foods else eat watever that helps u accomplished watever u are up to ...... it all up to u and ur preference....


but Qripsi .... i see u defending ur red devil's water ....... except wetin??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
u like that ur red devil's water paa :lol: :lol: :lol: ...... but the body was not meant to ingest the devil's water period .... or??? :P :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby quophi aletse » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:20 am

captain_fred wrote:
quophi aletse wrote:fred .... nobody loses his/her life ...... life is eternal and nobody loses anything ...... we will all discard the bodies that we HAVE someday ....... there is nothing wrong with that and it is a natural process and agreement most of us have agreed to in this specific relativity we are in at this moment.

In a spiritual sense, yes. no one loses his/her life.

also bro there are no accidents in life ...... everything that happens has a valid cause that is causing the effects perfectly. Nobody dies by accident or can literally go too early or too soon or when it was not his/her time to go. All these gone too soon, not his/her time etc all dwell in our limited human perspective and does little justice to wat is really going on.

Spiritually, yes. But in the flesh and physical sense, it's a different story. That's what I'm getting at. The physical aspect of things. you don't want to focus solely on the spiritual and neglect the physical, or?
Btw, do you believe the soul/spirit man has a mission to accomplish here on earth?


kids and babies come into this world and die shortly not by accident but with an important purpose of giving the mother and family an opportunity to look at certain issues, or perhaps bring a family in disunity together, etc etc etc and etc ........ there are many reasons why a kid will just come into this world and die shortly ...... the disease, sickness and pain are all effects of a very important and purposeful cause. A soul in its infinite wisdom can and does use death for its important purposes.

Again, spiritually, yes. But physically, it's a different story. Consider a mom going through 9 months of carrying the baby, and the pain she goes through to deliver the baby only for the baby to die. That's got to hurt. Spiritually, it's different.

my understanding of karma is that it is self imposed ...... if u kill someone in this life, u are not REQUIRED to come back into the world and be killed ..... my understanding is that if i kill someone in this life, there is or maybe an imbalance imprinted at the soul level due to many variables such as the energy that the person i killed sent my way as i killed him/her which will be a very powerful intensified energy as the experience of being kill seems to be a very intensified experience ...... there maybe many many many other variables that contribute to an imbalance i dont know but with that imbalance (for both the killer and the 1 killed), at the soul level, a being may decide according to that being the best way to balance that imbalance. There is no obligation that hey u killed someone ..... go down there and be killed too....... at the soul level we are very very very wise beings and through our own reflections and moving deeper into our inner core, we are able to decide and make perfect decisions on how to balance our energy among many many other things.

what about the physical level? Karma doesn't happen at the physical level, only spiritual? sometimes when the spirit is grieving, it shows on the flesh. what about karma? or you just interpret it different than everybody else?

Death is seen very differently at the soul level where our true being is .... as compared to our limited human perspective and ego.

1 of the 5 difficult questions for our egos to wrestle with is very applicable here???

WHO AM I ??

that question is one of the pillars of all this fear of death and other misunderstandings about death......

we do not kow who we truly are for if we truly knew who we truly are, we will fear not.

spirit and flesh are like a guy who travels to some place. when he's going, he's aware it wont be a permanent stay, but yet when he goes he settles in and feels too comfortable. when it's time to leave, then it's a problem. that's how I see. spiritually, this isn't our home but we've settled in and feel too comfortable. how many people neglect their spirituality? I'm arguing the fear of death from a physical and fleshly perspective. We don't wanna leave... yet. right now, walk up to the average person and and tell them about dying, their fear would be regrets about something they were doing that they didn't finish, or something they never got to do, leaving kids behind, not seeing some dream come to life. that's what the fear is about. spiritually, it's a different story.


fred i hear you and what u are describing is truly the prevailing human perspective around death..... anyways i understand what u are saying ......
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Postby SIEGER » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:46 am

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Postby Q' lypse » Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:58 am

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u started a fire
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Postby SIEGER » Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:28 am

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SIEGER wrote::shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


u started a fire


I swear! :lol: :lol:

I never even explained my main point..

Besides where dey ur alter EGOs; Mt Zion, Zion, Justin White? :roll: :roll:
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Postby Q' lypse » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:51 am

SIEGER wrote:
Q' lypse wrote:
SIEGER wrote::shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


u started a fire


I swear! :lol: :lol:

I never even explained my main point..

Besides where dey ur alter EGOs; Mt Zion, Zion, Justin White? :roll: :roll:

Who knows. But there are two people to ask, Abena Janet and Ksarp.
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Postby quophi aletse » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:09 pm

Q' lypse wrote:
SIEGER wrote:
Q' lypse wrote:
SIEGER wrote::shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


u started a fire


I swear! :lol: :lol:

I never even explained my main point..

Besides where dey ur alter EGOs; Mt Zion, Zion, Justin White? :roll: :roll:

Who knows. But there are two people to ask, Abena Janet and Ksarp.
zion be ur altered ego?????? eiii things dey lungulungu for this world paa
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Postby maradona » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:30 am

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maradona wrote:Q think really hard about what is happening here. I think the kids dad is a pastor at some church. if you start paying attention to his story he is pretty much describing the believes of his dad church and exactly how the europeans want us to believe what jesus look like( he describe jesus as blue eye blond hair in one of the youtube video). so my question is why does it always have to be something that they believe for example why didnt he see mohammed or the other millions of gods and messiahs that we use to worship. if he was a muslim the story will be diferent, if he was chinese the story would be different.

I would be more impress if he saw mohammed because thats far from many christians thought and they never ever imagine him being in heaven or anywhere. i hope you know what im trying to say.

i think the family is just using it for their financial gain, they have written a book about it and I am sure they have made more money than they ever imagine, this is what the american dream is all about deceiving people and making as much money as you can even if it will hurt the victim in the long run.

then again i dont know the kid might be right and there is really heaven and hell. 8)


This is exactly what I was expecting you to say. I'm glad you made that observation. They have a Christian background. Trust me, there are many accounts of other Christians who have had near death experiences seeing what they believe in their religion, heaven, hell, Jesus, angels, white robs, choir etc. I don't doubt the boy's account at all but the religion of his parents is deep inside him even at that young age that, in a near death experience, he gets to see all what he's been taught in Sunday school.

Why don't you explore a little? There are Muslim accounts of near death experiences, there are Buddhists, there are those who embraced all religions experiences, there are those who are not religious at all, like the actress, Sharon Stone's account of NDE. No funny religious figures in it, nothing like that. This is why I asked why you don't wanna hear about others accounts of NDE.


i have seen some nde. most of them see some bright light and and a sense of peace. but does it answer where we go when we die.? i dont think it answer the question at all maybe it gives some clues but definitely doesn't answer it. some people here are saying that people never die cuz they come right back or something. but does it matter if we come back without remembering what we did in our last life. we might as well call it death anyway.


who will get into an airplane without knowing where it is going to land.? thas how death is like to most people, they dont take the risk cuz they dont know where it is going.

this is just my opinion.
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Postby Q' lypse » Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:43 pm

quophi aletse wrote:
Q' lypse wrote:
SIEGER wrote:
Q' lypse wrote:
SIEGER wrote::shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


u started a fire


I swear! :lol: :lol:

I never even explained my main point..

Besides where dey ur alter EGOs; Mt Zion, Zion, Justin White? :roll: :roll:

Who knows. But there are two people to ask, Abena Janet and Ksarp.
zion be ur altered ego?????? eiii things dey lungulungu for this world paa


i know im crazy but massa meebodam saa wai(im not that nuts). Zion is on another level, abeg, kai!

Eerrmm semi correction, I dont think its Ksarp, its El I think, he mentioned once he used to email him about the stock market or something like that, it could be both of them. Ah, but Zion is fond of Abena, we all know dis :lol: .
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Postby Kwame Nyame 64 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:06 pm

Maradona wrote,
i have seen some nde. most of them see some bright light and and a sense of peace. but does it answer where we go when we die.? i dont think it answer the question at all maybe it gives some clues but definitely doesn't answer it. some people here are saying that people never die cuz they come right back or something. but does it matter if we come back without remembering what we did in our last life. we might as well call it death anyway.


who will get into an airplane without knowing where it is going to land.? thas how death is like to most people, they dont take the risk cuz they dont know where it is going.

this is just my opinion.


When we seek explanation,the questioning will continue.There is nothing wrong in seeking explanation.there is nothing wrong in gathering knowledge.Most often it is a good start.lt is clever and sensible to ask questions and look at a subject matter from different directions.
So with death and the fear of death,you read.You debate.You ask questions.You watch programmes on the subject.
These are all good.
But if you truely want to overcome the fear of death,you have to do more than asking,reading and watching programmes.You have to look for experience and realization.
You have to look for practical ways.
lm not saying eg to drown by jumping into the deep ocean to experience death.lm talking about finding ways of seperating the spiritual consciousness from the human consciousness.
This is nothing new.
Socrates said in PHAEDO,a philosopher's purpose is to achieve the seperation of the Soul as much as possible from the human body.
Death on earth is the final seperation of the the spiritual body(Soul) from the human body(flesh).
For those who by way of karma and reincarnation have to return to earth will go through this process again and again.
NDE is a glimpse at this process.
There are spiritual techniques taught by adepts throughout the ages to experience this seperation while still in the physical body.
Socrates was killed for teaching the people in his time about learning to die before death.
The authorities didn't like this.They knew it is difficult to control any person who has lost the fear of death.
Fear of death is one of the major reasons why people fail in life.Fear of death is also one of the tools used in control and suppression.
lnfact without fear of death,the lnsurance business will collapse.
How many religions will be in "business" if lts followers lost the fear of death overnight?
Our lives are largely governed by fear.
lf you take a very close look at stories of people who have experience NDE,a common thread is to do with their outlook on life before and after their experience.
Majority of them go on to live more productive,joyful and free lives.
Why is this?
They have experienced in full or partially that life continues after the demise of the physical body.
Without experiencing this first hand,l doubt if you can go any further other than to just hope and speculate.
Some of us will stay at the stage of hope and speculation all our lives.Others after a belly full of questioning may take a few timid steps to finding out if it is possible at all to take a glimpse beyond the physical veil.
A few though will break out of the pack and masses.They will learn the techniques of out of body experience and while still living in the physical body,explore the inner worlds through dream travel and Soul Projection.
So why do we or some of us fear death?
One is afraid to die when he doesn't understand,or have knowledge of,the continuity of life.
St Paul in the NT said..."l die daily".Basically he was saying that while still in the physical,he had the ability to move beyond the physical body.He called this process dying daily.
What happens when you are able to,while still in the physical body,able to take a look beyond this physical world?

"Here he gains confidence,courage,and becomes acquinted with the other worlds,so that when the time comes,he moves through the transition very smoothly,very naturally.Death loses its sting,the grave loses its victory"
Harold Klemp


Someone may be a skeptic.He believes this is it.Then he experiences NDE.He is no more a skeptic.He now knows there's more to life than meets the eyes.He now knows at death,there is a Master or guardian Angel waiting to help and protect him during the transition.He stop to fear death.He has had a taste.lt haunts him.He is curious.He is now the seeker

The skeptic wld read all this and not make head or tail about it.No amount of answers to his many questions can fully rid him of the fear of death.
l must say this not always true.There are some skeptics who are not afraid of death.They are resigned to the inevitable.They couldn't care less.Like they say in Ghana,ALL DIE BE DIE. :lol: :lol: :lol:
The reason for this is simple.The guard of the mind is up.Logic and reason are fully in control.
The only time Soul can move out of the physical shell is when the guard of the mind is down.When this happens,Soul can view the body as it lies sleeping or sitting in a chair.
Once this seperation is experience,the grip;fear of death starts to lossen its hold.
People experience this through spiritual techniques.Others gain this through NDE.
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Postby Q' lypse » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:53 pm

Kwame Nyame 64 wrote:Q,the talking,reading and listening is good.lt whets your appetite.They are the bankye and kosey the mind needs to chew on.
The baby milk is the doing.lt is taking practical steps to act.You want to experience whatever it is first hand.


Kwame paa, nipa yi muu they just heard about this there is no death thing and now you are talking experience, agyeeeiii..

Kwame Nyame 64 wrote:Why do you think Christ said until you become as children,you shall not exprience the kingdom of heaven?
good point but tell it to those who want to be spoon fed and taking baby steps.

Kwame Nyame 64 wrote:
Now back to the topic.
Fear of Death.Some fear death.Others don't fear death.
For those who fear death,some are resigned to fearing death.They want things to remain the way they are.They are not worried about getting rid of the fear of death.They have accepted this fear.
Then there are those who fear death and are looking for ways to get rid of the fear.Some have found solace in religion,philosophy and other humanities.
Some however would want to find out what death is and what lies beyond death.There are persons who wld do anything to find this out.
Death can be compared to the ancients who thought beyond the Rock of Gilbratar was nothingness;dark unknown.
Some of them accepted the known "fact" and didn't bother to worry about what this nothingness was all about.Others sat in the pubs and courts debating the nothingness.Some nutcases took vessels and sailed into the nothingness.
These nutcases didn't just find a whole continent bigger than the land they knew but even found life and civilization.
When we debate Fear of Death,there is room for all.There are those who don't care about the subject.They are those who will talk about it till the cows come home.They are those who would want to hear everything being said about it.
There's a small group who want to know so badly they are prepared to set sail beyond the rock of gilbratar.
We learn to crawl before walking.lt is good to take things step by step.lt is natural to live on fluids before starting on solids.
the world is really diverse and this is why we are here. It is very interesting race


Kwame Nyame 64 wrote:
l cannot speak for anyone here.Personally,lm crawling and lm still taking fluids.lm a student.lm curious. l like to take things one step at a time. But l prefer to take a deep than get lectured on the temp of the river.


saa saa, you know thats how some of us are :D

Kwame Nyame 64 wrote:
WHAT WOULD MAKE MARADONA believe without a shadow of a doubt about NDE?

experience i guess but its all up to him though. But does he wanna experience it? Who knows..

Kwame Nyame 64 wrote:
Debates,explanations discussion can help.But Maradona will not be asking these questions if he has had NDE himself.
The little contribution l was making is that there are many ways to experience these things without necessarily having a near fatal accident.There are many ways.One way l know is to experience it by practicing a spiritual exercise.
Singing HU is the one l know.
I know oo I know but people are people. U have to give them a break and listen to them, see how they go about approaching such topics, otherwise the mention of eg, HU would sound like Huhuuhu kaakaamotobi (the boogie man) and they will take off, run away. Enti take it slow wai
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Postby maradona » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:09 pm

Kwame Nyame 64 wrote:Maradona wrote,
i have seen some nde. most of them see some bright light and and a sense of peace. but does it answer where we go when we die.? i dont think it answer the question at all maybe it gives some clues but definitely doesn't answer it. some people here are saying that people never die cuz they come right back or something. but does it matter if we come back without remembering what we did in our last life. we might as well call it death anyway.


who will get into an airplane without knowing where it is going to land.? thas how death is like to most people, they dont take the risk cuz they dont know where it is going.

this is just my opinion.


When we seek explanation,the questioning will continue.There is nothing wrong in seeking explanation.there is nothing wrong in gathering knowledge.Most often it is a good start.lt is clever and sensible to ask questions and look at a subject matter from different directions.
So with death and the fear of death,you read.You debate.You ask questions.You watch programmes on the subject.
These are all good.
But if you truely want to overcome the fear of death,you have to do more than asking,reading and watching programmes.You have to look for experience and realization.
You have to look for practical ways.
lm not saying eg to drown by jumping into the deep ocean to experience death.lm talking about finding ways of seperating the spiritual consciousness from the human consciousness.
This is nothing new.
Socrates said in PHAEDO,a philosopher's purpose is to achieve the seperation of the Soul as much as possible from the human body.
Death on earth is the final seperation of the the spiritual body(Soul) from the human body(flesh).
For those who by way of karma and reincarnation have to return to earth will go through this process again and again.
NDE is a glimpse at this process.
There are spiritual techniques taught by adepts throughout the ages to experience this seperation while still in the physical body.
Socrates was killed for teaching the people in his time about learning to die before death.
The authorities didn't like this.They knew it is difficult to control any person who has lost the fear of death.
Fear of death is one of the major reasons why people fail in life.Fear of death is also one of the tools used in control and suppression.
lnfact without fear of death,the lnsurance business will collapse.
How many religions will be in "business" if lts followers lost the fear of death overnight?
Our lives are largely governed by fear.
lf you take a very close look at stories of people who have experience NDE,a common thread is to do with their outlook on life before and after their experience.
Majority of them go on to live more productive,joyful and free lives.
Why is this?
They have experienced in full or partially that life continues after the demise of the physical body.
Without experiencing this first hand,l doubt if you can go any further other than to just hope and speculate.
Some of us will stay at the stage of hope and speculation all our lives.Others after a belly full of questioning may take a few timid steps to finding out if it is possible at all to take a glimpse beyond the physical veil.
A few though will break out of the pack and masses.They will learn the techniques of out of body experience and while still living in the physical body,explore the inner worlds through dream travel and Soul Projection.
So why do we or some of us fear death?
One is afraid to die when he doesn't understand,or have knowledge of,the continuity of life.
St Paul in the NT said..."l die daily".Basically he was saying that while still in the physical,he had the ability to move beyond the physical body.He called this process dying daily.
What happens when you are able to,while still in the physical body,able to take a look beyond this physical world?

"Here he gains confidence,courage,and becomes acquinted with the other worlds,so that when the time comes,he moves through the transition very smoothly,very naturally.Death loses its sting,the grave loses its victory"
Harold Klemp


Someone may be a skeptic.He believes this is it.Then he experiences NDE.He is no more a skeptic.He now knows there's more to life than meets the eyes.He now knows at death,there is a Master or guardian Angel waiting to help and protect him during the transition.He stop to fear death.He has had a taste.lt haunts him.He is curious.He is now the seeker

The skeptic wld read all this and not make head or tail about it.No amount of answers to his many questions can fully rid him of the fear of death.
l must say this not always true.There are some skeptics who are not afraid of death.They are resigned to the inevitable.They couldn't care less.Like they say in Ghana,ALL DIE BE DIE. :lol: :lol: :lol:
The reason for this is simple.The guard of the mind is up.Logic and reason are fully in control.
The only time Soul can move out of the physical shell is when the guard of the mind is down.When this happens,Soul can view the body as it lies sleeping or sitting in a chair.
Once this seperation is experience,the grip;fear of death starts to lossen its hold.
People experience this through spiritual techniques.Others gain this through NDE.


kwame i will like to experience all the spiritual things you and q have been experiencing but the question is how.? singing hu will not help me at all as a matter of fact it will make me more frastrated than i am already. i have been to many churches none of them seem to be my taste, i have some families who are jehovah witnesses but some how i cant seem to be optimistic as them, i have been to the church and everything but nothing help. and recently you are telling me about eck which i see is no different than all the church i have been to.

actually i became very skeptic when a few of my family members decided to force me to believe in their church(jehovah witness). ever since then i decided to doubt many things and do my own research about life but nde and spiritual experience is like chinese to me. :lol: :lol:
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Postby Janet » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:14 pm

Q' lypse wrote:
quophi aletse wrote:
Q' lypse wrote:
SIEGER wrote:
Q' lypse wrote:
SIEGER wrote::shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


u started a fire


I swear! :lol: :lol:

I never even explained my main point..

Besides where dey ur alter EGOs; Mt Zion, Zion, Justin White? :roll: :roll:

Who knows. But there are two people to ask, Abena Janet and Ksarp.
zion be ur altered ego?????? eiii things dey lungulungu for this world paa


i know im crazy but massa meebodam saa wai(im not that nuts). Zion is on another level, abeg, kai!

Eerrmm semi correction, I dont think its Ksarp, its El I think, he mentioned once he used to email him about the stock market or something like that, it could be both of them. Ah, but Zion is fond of Abena, we all know dis :lol: .


I haven't heard from Zion in ages. :lol:
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Postby Kwame Nyame 64 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:29 pm

Maradona wrote,
kwame i will like to experience all the spiritual things you and q have been experiencing but the question is how.? singing hu will not help me at all as a matter of fact it will make me more frastrated than i am already. i have been to many churches none of them seem to be my taste, i have some families who are jehovah witnesses but some how i cant seem to be optimistic as them, i have been to the church and everything but nothing help. and recently you are telling me about eck which i see is no different than all the church i have been to.

actually i became very skeptic when a few of my family members decided to force me to believe in their church(jehovah witness). ever since then i decided to doubt many things and do my own research about life but nde and spiritual experience is like chinese to me.


You have decided to doubt many things.And now you do your own research about life.
Wow! Brilliant.l think this is a very bold and sensible step to take.l agree with you wholeheartedly.
l say this is a bold step because you have decided to embark on personal discovery.
You see,those who run from teacher to teacher;church to church;read books and other forms of literature,go around questioning are simply theorising.lt is all theory.
Not until you begin to PRACTICE AND APPLY things you have found out or learned in your research wld you be making real progress or success.
When you find a truth,you will then be able to say...I KNOW.You were not told.You didn't read about it or watch it on TV.You KNOW. See?
You take an aspect of life and look at it closely.You do your research.lf you find there is some truth in it you keep it.lf not,you can decide to throw it in the waste basket or recycle bin.
You see Maradona,the good thing about doubting many things and doing your own research is that what you find out to be true will be coming from within;from you and not from the outside.What you find will be truth that nobody can take away from you.
The path you have chosen is a very powerful one if l may say so.
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Postby SIEGER » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:20 pm

Janet wrote:
Q' lypse wrote:
quophi aletse wrote:
Q' lypse wrote:
SIEGER wrote:
Q' lypse wrote:
SIEGER wrote::shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


u started a fire


I swear! :lol: :lol:

I never even explained my main point..

Besides where dey ur alter EGOs; Mt Zion, Zion, Justin White? :roll: :roll:

Who knows. But there are two people to ask, Abena Janet and Ksarp.
zion be ur altered ego?????? eiii things dey lungulungu for this world paa


i know im crazy but massa meebodam saa wai(im not that nuts). Zion is on another level, abeg, kai!

Eerrmm semi correction, I dont think its Ksarp, its El I think, he mentioned once he used to email him about the stock market or something like that, it could be both of them. Ah, but Zion is fond of Abena, we all know dis :lol: .


I haven't heard from Zion in ages. :lol:


Why? He dumped U?

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Postby Janet » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:20 pm

SIEGER wrote:
Janet wrote:
Q' lypse wrote:
quophi aletse wrote:
Q' lypse wrote:
SIEGER wrote:
Q' lypse wrote:
SIEGER wrote::shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


u started a fire


I swear! :lol: :lol:

I never even explained my main point..

Besides where dey ur alter EGOs; Mt Zion, Zion, Justin White? :roll: :roll:

Who knows. But there are two people to ask, Abena Janet and Ksarp.
zion be ur altered ego?????? eiii things dey lungulungu for this world paa


i know im crazy but massa meebodam saa wai(im not that nuts). Zion is on another level, abeg, kai!

Eerrmm semi correction, I dont think its Ksarp, its El I think, he mentioned once he used to email him about the stock market or something like that, it could be both of them. Ah, but Zion is fond of Abena, we all know dis :lol: .


I haven't heard from Zion in ages. :lol:


Why? He dumped U?

( I Kid )


No. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby quophi aletse » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:29 pm

Janet wrote:
SIEGER wrote:
Janet wrote:
Q' lypse wrote:
quophi aletse wrote:
Q' lypse wrote:
SIEGER wrote:
Q' lypse wrote:
SIEGER wrote::shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


u started a fire


I swear! :lol: :lol:

I never even explained my main point..

Besides where dey ur alter EGOs; Mt Zion, Zion, Justin White? :roll: :roll:

Who knows. But there are two people to ask, Abena Janet and Ksarp.
zion be ur altered ego?????? eiii things dey lungulungu for this world paa


i know im crazy but massa meebodam saa wai(im not that nuts). Zion is on another level, abeg, kai!

Eerrmm semi correction, I dont think its Ksarp, its El I think, he mentioned once he used to email him about the stock market or something like that, it could be both of them. Ah, but Zion is fond of Abena, we all know dis :lol: .


I haven't heard from Zion in ages. :lol:


Why? He dumped U?

( I Kid )


No. :lol: :lol: :lol:


mutual separation??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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