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The Origin Of Racism

Postby thebalck1 » Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:26 am

For those denialists amongst us claiming black people were not the beginning. The knowledge is all out there. Seek it and it shall set you free. The world we see before us is not the world that was. It has been cleverly and wickedly designed to suite those who control us. But one must at least KNOW that all is not "right with the world" to begin with, to start seeking what was, otherwise we shall forever be dictated to by what others want us to "think" about ourselves. It is an INDIVIDUAL journey, our schools, universities and all things constructed around us are part of the mental slavery, they will not TELL (give) YOU THIS INSIGHT/KNOWLEDGE. YOU have to seek it our for yourself.

The Origin Of Racism

In 1903, the brilliant scholar W.E.B. DuBois wrote in his classic book, The Souls of Black Folk, "The problem of the twentieth century is the problem of the color line." This statement is just as applicable today as it was when it was written. The methods may be less overt, but the sentiment remains the same. The consciousness of the present times provokes us to find out why this is still true.

Analyzing all the variables, it was not hard to draw a simple conclusion. Racism was the culprit: the belief that white skin (American version) was superior to all others; resulting in their conviction that they should rule, dominate, are more intelligent, and accomplished all the great things in the world. When that attitude turned into behavior, people of Afrikan descent felt the brunt of the ensuing negative affects.

Attempting to find the genesis of this belief, one would have to investigate available ancient writings. The oldest known document found referring to Black people in a racial, subservient and negative manner is The Babylonian Talmud, a collection of Jewish oral traditions in the sixth century A.D. It is a complement to the Bible and explains the laws of the Torah. In it, we find Noah allegedly speaking to his son Ham, about his son Canaan and his descendants. "And since you have disabled me…doing ugly things in the blackness of night, Canaan's children shall be borne ugly and black! Moreover, because you twisted your head around to see my nakedness, your grandchildren's hair shall be twisted into kinks, and their eyes red; again because your lips jested at my misfortune, theirs shall swell; and because you neglected my nakedness, they shall go naked, and their male members shall be shamefully elongated! Men of this race are called Negroes." (Black Spark, White Fire by Richard Poe)

Conveniently attached to this statement is what came to be known as the "Hamitic Hypothesis," a complicated concept that sometimes says that the descendants of Ham: Canaanites, Egyptians, Ethiopians, Phoenicians, and others, were black; but were also argued to be white, depending on the need of European scholars and theologians adjusting to current circumstances of the time.

The Hamites were said to have built the world's oldest civilization, found in the Nile Valley, specifically Ethiopia and Egypt, which many have characterized as the foundation of western civilization. At the time, 3000 B.C.E. and earlier, Egypt was the intellectual, industrial and spiritual center for the world. Whoever were the people who created this, were the people who established the direction for world civilization.

Initially, European scholars considered the Hamites black. They became white when it was expedient for European glorification and the beginning of the Atlantic slave trade. Napoleon visited the Nile Valley, notably Egypt, in 1798, taking archaeologists and other scientists with him. They concluded that Afrikans created this ancient civilization. They surmised that this could not stand on its face and must be changed; thus, the creation of Egyptology, primarily to explain away that the creators of this civilization were not black.

Count Constantine Francis Chassebeuf DeVolney, a world traveler and author, disturbed by the hypocrisy he observed, later wrote in his book, Travels Through Syria and Egypt in the Years 1783,1784 and 1785, "How are we astonished…when we reflect that to the race of negroes, at present our slaves, and the object of our extreme contempt, we owe our arts, sciences, and even the very use of speech; and when we recollect that, in the midst of those nations who call themselves the friends of liberty and humanity, the most barbarous of slaveries is justified; and that it is even a problem whether the understanding of negroes be of the same species with that of white men."

During this period, it was morally problematical justifying enslaving the same people who were viewed as the creators of the world's first civilization. However, the argument by European theologians and scientists came down to two perspectives, "One was that he (Afrikans) was the result of 'degeneration' due to various environmental conditions. The other and more frequent view was that he was a separate creation, subhuman in character." (Edith R. Sanders "The Hamitic Hypothesis; Its Origin in Time Perspective")

Dr. Charles B. Copher, the godfather and pioneer among American Afrikan biblical scholars on this subject calls the latter view, the "Pre-Adamite Theory," whereby Afrikans were said to be the offspring of a union between Eve and the beast in the Garden of Eden, not Adam and Eve. Ironically, Dr. Copher states that there are many ministers who still preach that Black people were cursed, which he adamantly states is not in the Bible at all.

The Christian church stepped heavily into this discussion, solidifying the belief that Afrikans were cursed. The Noah, Ham, Canaan curse story in the Bible, with the Biblical passage referring to Ham's descendents, "A servant of servants shall he be," had been publicly interpreted by theologians to mean that Ham's descendents were turned black because they were cursed and destined as servants. Graves and Patai, in Hebrew Myths state, "That Negroes are doomed to serve men of lighter color was a view gratefully borrowed by Christians in the Middle Ages; a severe shortage of cheap manual labor caused by the plague made the reinstitution of slavery attractive."

This was the exact support Christians needed for a moral defense while enslaving Afrikans and instituting segregation/apartheid. The Ku Klux Klan (KKK) used it as its philosophy to terrorize people of Afrikan descent. Racism, through slavery, became a very profitable business in America, and accordingly reached its zenith with the 'Master Race Theory' promoted by Adolph Hitler in Nazi Germany. Scholars at Harvard and Yale wrote long thesis’s on the justification for slavery, which supplied the scholarly support. Abolitionists at both universities, though outnumbered, wrote against the institution of slavery.

The answer to unraveling this horrendous problem may be the most difficult task the western world has to face. Racism's marriage with economics places it at America's nucleus, a capitalist economy. Being dominant is profitable. The profits from the Atlantic slave trade virtually financed the development of the western industrial/scientific revolution. Everybody was in it, one way or another. There are corporations existing today that found their beginnings during the slave trade.

The tenants of racism are dug very deep in the American fabric. The solution may not be found among the descendants of the beneficiaries, but among those who endured the most brutal form of racism. They know what freedom is.

Until there is a psychological absorption of world history and how western civilization owes its beginnings to Afrikan ingenuity, this problem will never go away. Consequently, the academic world and the media giants fight vigorously to prevent such knowledge from reaching wide dissemination. This is the state of things today.

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Postby bangarlee » Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:50 am

woooo...preach on brother ,PREACH!
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Postby quophi aletse » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:26 pm

ok theblack ....... there is no need to deny this ....... it is just the perspective and linearity in which such statements are made makes it difficult to discuss these things ......

YES the black BODY was seeded first on earth in terms of original humanoid experiences ..... meaning that when water, sky, atmosphere, land , plants , animals were created, the black body was then created as a vehicle for souls to experience physical dense life ......

when u walk outside and see people or see urself in the mirror ....... u ARE not ur body and the people u see are not their bodies ... they are souls .... entities who HAVE a body ..... so are u ......

racism has nothing to do with which body was seeded first or last ........ the Ape body was seeded first than the human body and genetic code that make the two bodies differ by only about 3 percent .... u dont see apes going around shouting they were the first to be created and basically we humans borrowed a hefty portion of their genes or wateva .....

racism is the doings of the ego based on beliefs superiority/inferiority established in a separation paradigm.

when u die, the thing that departs from the body ... the soul, is neither black or white or green ....... not even male or female ...... it is just a loving soul that had a black or white or asian body of the male or female gender with a mind that believed in so so and so and had so so and so experiences ......
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Postby Kwame Nyame 64 » Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:28 pm

quophi aletse wrote:ok theblack ....... there is no need to deny this ....... it is just the perspective and linearity in which such statements are made makes it difficult to discuss these things ......

YES the black BODY was seeded first on earth in terms of original humanoid experiences ..... meaning that when water, sky, atmosphere, land , plants , animals were created, the black body was then created as a vehicle for souls to experience physical dense life ......

when u walk outside and see people or see urself in the mirror ....... u ARE not ur body and the people u see are not their bodies ... they are souls .... entities who HAVE a body ..... so are u ......

racism has nothing to do with which body was seeded first or last ........ the Ape body was seeded first than the human body and genetic code that make the two bodies differ by only about 3 percent .... u dont see apes going around shouting they were the first to be created and basically we humans borrowed a hefty portion of their genes or wateva .....

racism is the doings of the ego based on beliefs superiority/inferiority established in a separation paradigm.

when u die, the thing that departs from the body ... the soul, is neither black or white or green ....... not even male or female ...... it is just a loving soul that had a black or white or asian body of the male or female gender with a mind that believed in so so and so and had so so and so experiences ......


Good response.l like it.We do not have a Soul.We are Soul.Soul is a spark of God.Soul has no beginning nor Ending.Soul exist because of God's love for it.
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Postby ashanti-queen » Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:00 pm

Kwame Nyame 64 wrote:Good response.l like it.We do not have a Soul.We are Soul.Soul is a spark of God.Soul has no beginning nor Ending.Soul exist because of God's love for it.


Love dat Kwame... very true...
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Re: The Origin Of Racism

Postby Q' lypse » Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:29 am

thebalck1 wrote:For those denialists amongst us claiming black people were not the beginning. The knowledge is all out there. Seek it and it shall set you free. The world we see before us is not the world that was. It has been cleverly and wickedly designed to suite those who control us. But one must at least KNOW that all is not "right with the world" to begin with, to start seeking what was, otherwise we shall forever be dictated to by what others want us to "think" about ourselves. It is an INDIVIDUAL journey, our schools, universities and all things constructed around us are part of the mental slavery, they will not TELL (give) YOU THIS INSIGHT/KNOWLEDGE. YOU have to seek it our for yourself.

The Origin Of Racism

In 1903, the brilliant scholar W.E.B. DuBois wrote in his classic book, The Souls of Black Folk, "The problem of the twentieth century is the problem of the color line." This statement is just as applicable today as it was when it was written. The methods may be less overt, but the sentiment remains the same. The consciousness of the present times provokes us to find out why this is still true.

Analyzing all the variables, it was not hard to draw a simple conclusion. Racism was the culprit: the belief that white skin (American version) was superior to all others; resulting in their conviction that they should rule, dominate, are more intelligent, and accomplished all the great things in the world. When that attitude turned into behavior, people of Afrikan descent felt the brunt of the ensuing negative affects.

Attempting to find the genesis of this belief, one would have to investigate available ancient writings. The oldest known document found referring to Black people in a racial, subservient and negative manner is The Babylonian Talmud, a collection of Jewish oral traditions in the sixth century A.D. It is a complement to the Bible and explains the laws of the Torah. In it, we find Noah allegedly speaking to his son Ham, about his son Canaan and his descendants. "And since you have disabled me…doing ugly things in the blackness of night, Canaan's children shall be borne ugly and black! Moreover, because you twisted your head around to see my nakedness, your grandchildren's hair shall be twisted into kinks, and their eyes red; again because your lips jested at my misfortune, theirs shall swell; and because you neglected my nakedness, they shall go naked, and their male members shall be shamefully elongated! Men of this race are called Negroes." (Black Spark, White Fire by Richard Poe)

Conveniently attached to this statement is what came to be known as the "Hamitic Hypothesis," a complicated concept that sometimes says that the descendants of Ham: Canaanites, Egyptians, Ethiopians, Phoenicians, and others, were black; but were also argued to be white, depending on the need of European scholars and theologians adjusting to current circumstances of the time.

The Hamites were said to have built the world's oldest civilization, found in the Nile Valley, specifically Ethiopia and Egypt, which many have characterized as the foundation of western civilization. At the time, 3000 B.C.E. and earlier, Egypt was the intellectual, industrial and spiritual center for the world. Whoever were the people who created this, were the people who established the direction for world civilization.

Initially, European scholars considered the Hamites black. They became white when it was expedient for European glorification and the beginning of the Atlantic slave trade. Napoleon visited the Nile Valley, notably Egypt, in 1798, taking archaeologists and other scientists with him. They concluded that Afrikans created this ancient civilization. They surmised that this could not stand on its face and must be changed; thus, the creation of Egyptology, primarily to explain away that the creators of this civilization were not black.

Count Constantine Francis Chassebeuf DeVolney, a world traveler and author, disturbed by the hypocrisy he observed, later wrote in his book, Travels Through Syria and Egypt in the Years 1783,1784 and 1785, "How are we astonished…when we reflect that to the race of negroes, at present our slaves, and the object of our extreme contempt, we owe our arts, sciences, and even the very use of speech; and when we recollect that, in the midst of those nations who call themselves the friends of liberty and humanity, the most barbarous of slaveries is justified; and that it is even a problem whether the understanding of negroes be of the same species with that of white men."

During this period, it was morally problematical justifying enslaving the same people who were viewed as the creators of the world's first civilization. However, the argument by European theologians and scientists came down to two perspectives, "One was that he (Afrikans) was the result of 'degeneration' due to various environmental conditions. The other and more frequent view was that he was a separate creation, subhuman in character." (Edith R. Sanders "The Hamitic Hypothesis; Its Origin in Time Perspective")

Dr. Charles B. Copher, the godfather and pioneer among American Afrikan biblical scholars on this subject calls the latter view, the "Pre-Adamite Theory," whereby Afrikans were said to be the offspring of a union between Eve and the beast in the Garden of Eden, not Adam and Eve. Ironically, Dr. Copher states that there are many ministers who still preach that Black people were cursed, which he adamantly states is not in the Bible at all.

The Christian church stepped heavily into this discussion, solidifying the belief that Afrikans were cursed. The Noah, Ham, Canaan curse story in the Bible, with the Biblical passage referring to Ham's descendents, "A servant of servants shall he be," had been publicly interpreted by theologians to mean that Ham's descendents were turned black because they were cursed and destined as servants. Graves and Patai, in Hebrew Myths state, "That Negroes are doomed to serve men of lighter color was a view gratefully borrowed by Christians in the Middle Ages; a severe shortage of cheap manual labor caused by the plague made the reinstitution of slavery attractive."

This was the exact support Christians needed for a moral defense while enslaving Afrikans and instituting segregation/apartheid. The Ku Klux Klan (KKK) used it as its philosophy to terrorize people of Afrikan descent. Racism, through slavery, became a very profitable business in America, and accordingly reached its zenith with the 'Master Race Theory' promoted by Adolph Hitler in Nazi Germany. Scholars at Harvard and Yale wrote long thesis’s on the justification for slavery, which supplied the scholarly support. Abolitionists at both universities, though outnumbered, wrote against the institution of slavery.

The answer to unraveling this horrendous problem may be the most difficult task the western world has to face. Racism's marriage with economics places it at America's nucleus, a capitalist economy. Being dominant is profitable. The profits from the Atlantic slave trade virtually financed the development of the western industrial/scientific revolution. Everybody was in it, one way or another. There are corporations existing today that found their beginnings during the slave trade.

The tenants of racism are dug very deep in the American fabric. The solution may not be found among the descendants of the beneficiaries, but among those who endured the most brutal form of racism. They know what freedom is.

Until there is a psychological absorption of world history and how western civilization owes its beginnings to Afrikan ingenuity, this problem will never go away. Consequently, the academic world and the media giants fight vigorously to prevent such knowledge from reaching wide dissemination. This is the state of things today.

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Postby thebalck1 » Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:19 am

ashanti-queen wrote:
Kwame Nyame 64 wrote:Good response.l like it.We do not have a Soul.We are Soul.Soul is a spark of God.Soul has no beginning nor Ending.Soul exist because of God's love for it.


Love dat Kwame... very true...


Good point.

"We are worshiping materialism today all things material, money etc we are not worshiping spirit or IN SPIRIT anymore. Everything is about our material being and we have even gone beyond that to "sub-human'" now." - Paraphrase from Dr Mathole Motshekga.

http://www.kara.co.za/Profs%20public/St ... rigins.pdf
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