FOCUS ON THE ECK MASTERS

[OPIAMENSA]

...Would you like to have personal experience with spiritual masters? These wonderful stories and revelations can alert you to the presence, guidance, and divine love of these amazing Co-workers with God ... ”

First of all who gave them the title "spiritual masters" and second of all who says the creator needs "amazing co-workers"? Can anyone answer me without all that eckology???

[Janet]

...Would you like to have personal experience with spiritual masters? These wonderful stories and revelations can alert you to the presence, guidance, and divine love of these amazing Co-workers with God ... ”

First of all who gave them the title "spiritual masters" and second of all who says the creator needs "amazing co-workers"? Can anyone answer me without all that eckology???

[OPIAMENSA]

Janet, m'ani abere na wo sere. (my eyes are red and you are laughing)

[Kwame Nyame 64]

FUBBI QUANTZ

Fubbi Quantz."The Mahanta,the Living ECK Master during the time of Buddha,about 500 BC.He completed his mission,then immotalised his body,and now the guardian of the SHARIYAT-KI-SUGMAD at the Kastupari Monastery in Northern Tibet.
A teacher of Firdusi,the Persian Poet,he was also the spiritual guide for Columbus and encouraged his voyage to the Americas in order to revitalize the depleted nutrition of the Europeans."

http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Fubbi/index.html

[OPIAMENSA]

FUBBI QUANTZFubbi Quantz."The Mahanta,the Living ECK Master during the time of Buddha ... was also the spiritual guide for Columbus and encouraged his voyage to the Americas in order to revitalize the depleted nutrition of the Europeans."

SO DID ECKANKAR REALLY PROVIDE THE SPIRITUAL GUIDANCE FOR THE CRIMES OF CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS? I WILL QUOTE A FEW OF COLUMBUS' CRIMES

"Columbus makes Hitler look like a juvenile delinquent," asserts American Indian activist Russell Means.
Winona LaDuke deplores "the biological, technological, and ecological invasion that began with Columbus' ill-fated voyage five hundred years ago."
The National Council of Churches declares the anniversary of Columbus "not a time for celebration" but for "reflection and repentance" in which whites must acknowledge a continuing history of "oppression, degradation, and genocide."
Historian Glenn Morris accuses Columbus of being "a murderer, a rapist, the architect of a policy of genocide that continues today."
"Could it be that the human calamity caused by the arrival of Columbus," African-American writer Ishmael Reed asks, "was a sort of dress rehearsal of what is to come as the ozone becomes more depleted, the earth warms, and the rain forests are destroyed?"
"All of us have been socialized to be racists and benefit from racism constantly," Christine Slater laments in the journal Multicultural Education. "The very locations on which our homes rest should rightfully belong to Indian nations."
Literary scholar Stephen Greenblatt alleges that Columbus "inaugurated the greatest experiment in political, economic, and cultural cannibalism in the history of the Western world."

SAY IT AIN'T SO KWAME NYAME!

[Kwame Nyame 64]

FUBBI QUANTZFubbi Quantz."The Mahanta,the Living ECK Master during the time of Buddha ... was also the spiritual guide for Columbus and encouraged his voyage to the Americas in order to revitalize the depleted nutrition of the Europeans."

SO DID ECKANKAR REALLY PROVIDE THE SPIRITUAL GUIDANCE FOR THE CRIMES OF CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS? I WILL QUOTE A FEW OF COLUMBUS' CRIMES

"Columbus makes Hitler look like a juvenile delinquent," asserts American Indian activist Russell Means.
Winona LaDuke deplores "the biological, technological, and ecological invasion that began with Columbus' ill-fated voyage five hundred years ago."
The National Council of Churches declares the anniversary of Columbus "not a time for celebration" but for "reflection and repentance" in which whites must acknowledge a continuing history of "oppression, degradation, and genocide."
Historian Glenn Morris accuses Columbus of being "a murderer, a rapist, the architect of a policy of genocide that continues today."
"Could it be that the human calamity caused by the arrival of Columbus," African-American writer Ishmael Reed asks, "was a sort of dress rehearsal of what is to come as the ozone becomes more depleted, the earth warms, and the rain forests are destroyed?"
"All of us have been socialized to be racists and benefit from racism constantly," Christine Slater laments in the journal Multicultural Education. "The very locations on which our homes rest should rightfully belong to Indian nations."
Literary scholar Stephen Greenblatt alleges that Columbus "inaugurated the greatest experiment in political, economic, and cultural cannibalism in the history of the Western world."

SAY IT AIN'T SO KWAME NYAME!

Good point raised Opia.Can we say Fubbi Quantz is responsible for Columbus crimes for the reason that he was his spiritual guide and encourage him to make the journey to the Americas?
First of all,an ECK Master will not endorse or encourage crimes against humanity.
A reason was given.The main purpose of encouraging Columbus was to help revitalize the nutrition of Europeans.
These Adepts are wayshowers.They are not waypushers.
lf l use a spiritual technique lve learned at the feet of my teacher to do bad instead of good,will you blame my teacher?
A lot of evil resulted from the opening of the Americas to the then known world.But no scientist or historian will deny the good that resulted too.
Opia,without sounding patronizing,l believe intoregating issues like these is a good thing.We all learn.
Another aspect to all these is something we often ignore or misunderstand.
ln a real sense,nothing is good or bad.There are only actions or deeds and their consequences.
This becomes clear when you take up the concept of karma.
lf there is a God;a loving God;who is all powerful,where does he/she/it allow evil to occur?
The bible says God knows even when a bird as little as a sparrow falls to earth from the sky.lt doesn't say God stops the sparrow from falling.
There are laws supporting and sustaining all the divine workings and plans of our universe.This is my little understanding.lm still learning.lm only a student.
l will encourage you to bring stuff like this out to provoke debate.And l hope others join in.This is the main reason l spend time on this joint.

[quophi aletse]

Janet, m'ani abere na wo sere. (my eyes are red and you are laughing)

why are ur eyes red??????

[OPIAMENSA]

Obfuscation! Complete obfuscation!! If your mahatmas throw their support behind something that results in genocide, you should not throw up your hands by using the "wayshower" argument. You should man up and accept the consequences. They were party to an enterprise that led to crimes against innocent humanity.

By shirking that responsibility it makes eck no different. Eck is part of the same narrow, irrational, spiritual, power-hungry holier-than-thou dogma present in any and all religions.

btw I do not need any encouragement to carry my end of things in this and any discussion. I am one motivated and proud african. The very africa that gets no respect because we were socialised under white european supremacist concepts.

[Kwame Nyame 64]

Obfuscation! Complete obfuscation!! If your mahatmas throw their support behind something that results in genocide, you should not throw up your hands by using the "wayshower" argument. You should man up and accept the consequences. They were party to an enterprise that led to crimes against innocent humanity.

By shirking that responsibility it makes eck no different. Eck is part of the same narrow, irrational, spiritual, power-hungry holier-than-thou dogma present in any and all religions.

btw I do not need any encouragement to carry my end of things in this and any discussion. I am one motivated and proud african. The very africa that gets no respect because we were socialised under white european supremacist concepts.

As a motivated and proud African,l guess you believe in a supreme deity;ancestors;karma and reincarnation.

[Kwame Nyame 64]

LAI TSI

The Great Chinese ECK Master.Lai Tsi now serves as the guardian of the ECK Holy Book in the Dayaka Temple in the beautiful city of Arhirit of the Etheric Plane.
He once served as the Mahanta,the Living ECK Master.

http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Lai/Story02.html

[OPIAMENSA]

Obfuscation! Complete obfuscation!! If your mahatmas throw their support behind something that results in genocide, you should not throw up your hands by using the "wayshower" argument. You should man up and accept the consequences. They were party to an enterprise that led to crimes against innocent humanity.

By shirking that responsibility it makes eck no different. Eck is part of the same narrow, irrational, spiritual, power-hungry holier-than-thou dogma present in any and all religions.

btw I do not need any encouragement to carry my end of things in this and any discussion. I am one motivated and proud african. The very africa that gets no respect because we were socialised under white european supremacist concepts.

As a motivated and proud African,l guess you believe in a supreme deity;ancestors;karma and reincarnation.

you guessed wrong

[Kwame Nyame 64]

Obfuscation! Complete obfuscation!! If your mahatmas throw their support behind something that results in genocide, you should not throw up your hands by using the "wayshower" argument. You should man up and accept the consequences. They were party to an enterprise that led to crimes against innocent humanity.

By shirking that responsibility it makes eck no different. Eck is part of the same narrow, irrational, spiritual, power-hungry holier-than-thou dogma present in any and all religions.

btw I do not need any encouragement to carry my end of things in this and any discussion. I am one motivated and proud african. The very africa that gets no respect because we were socialised under white european supremacist concepts.

As a motivated and proud African,l guess you believe in a supreme deity;ancestors;karma and reincarnation.

you guessed wrong

Ok; my bad!. But it is good to know you don't believe in a supreme deity,ancestors,karma and reincarnation.

[Guest]

Obfuscation! Complete obfuscation!! If your mahatmas throw their support behind something that results in genocide, you should not throw up your hands by using the "wayshower" argument. You should man up and accept the consequences. They were party to an enterprise that led to crimes against innocent humanity.

By shirking that responsibility it makes eck no different. Eck is part of the same narrow, irrational, spiritual, power-hungry holier-than-thou dogma present in any and all religions.

btw I do not need any encouragement to carry my end of things in this and any discussion. I am one motivated and proud african. The very africa that gets no respect because we were socialised under white european supremacist concepts.

As a motivated and proud African,l guess you believe in a supreme deity;ancestors;karma and reincarnation.

you guessed wrong

so wat are ur beliefs opia?

[Kwame Nyame 64]

TOWART MANAGI

The Former Living ECK Master during the time of the kingdom of Abyssinia.This great African ECK Master dwell in a city called Mer Kailash on the Mental Plane.

l remember when Eckankar Spiritual Centre first released the portrait of this ECK Master,l was dying to meet him.A strange thing happened.l didn't meet him in my dream or Soul journeys.He appeared to my coworker at my work place.
lve introduced HU to my friend at work and he tried it before going to bed.Towart managi appeared to him whiles he was chanting HU.He tried to draw a rough picture of a blackman he saw whiles during the spiritual exercise.l suspected it was Sri Managi.
He turned pale(shocked) when l brought the ECK Master's picture and showed it to him at work.
These Masters don't stand between you and God.Who dare come between you and your creator.They are divine agents ready to assist sincere seekers of truth.

http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Towart/Story02.html

[OPIAMENSA]

Obfuscation! Complete obfuscation!! If your mahatmas throw their support behind something that results in genocide, you should not throw up your hands by using the "wayshower" argument. You should man up and accept the consequences. They were party to an enterprise that led to crimes against innocent humanity.

By shirking that responsibility it makes eck no different. Eck is part of the same narrow, irrational, spiritual, power-hungry holier-than-thou dogma present in any and all religions.

btw I do not need any encouragement to carry my end of things in this and any discussion. I am one motivated and proud african. The very africa that gets no respect because we were socialised under white european supremacist concepts.

As a motivated and proud African,l guess you believe in a supreme deity;ancestors;karma and reincarnation.

you guessed wrong

so wat are ur beliefs opia?

Sorry Kwame, I do not believe in any superstitious religion or other such nonsense! And it includes eck and the so-called soul travel. Because even you yourself cannot tell where you go during soul travel.

[Kwame Nyame 64]

Opiamensa wrote,
Sorry Kwame, I do not believe in any superstitious religion or other such nonsense! And it includes eck and the so-called soul travel. Because even you yourself cannot tell where you go during soul travel.

Yes Opia,and you do not believe in a Supreme Deity,ancestors,karma and reincarnation.

That is ok.lt could be you sincerely do not believe in these things.You have more important things to think about or concern yourself with.

l have been studying the ECK teachings for many years.l know through my own experience that the ECK Masters are real,Soul Travel is real.And l believe in Karma and Reincarnation.
These things are nonsense to you.But they make a lot of sense to me.
You see,lm sure there are things in your life that are dear to you that may hold no truth or value to me.Such is life.
We simple accept things as they are and learn tolerance.

[quophi aletse]

well put kwame

[OPIAMENSA]

There is a chasm of difference between knowledge and common sense. I just wished Kwame will channel some of that knowledge into actionable intelligence.

Those who perished at Jonestown failed to convert some of their knowledge into intelligence. They believed in Jim Jones.

[OPIAMENSA]

so wat are ur beliefs opia?

I believe in what I can learn and prove through my senses. They key word for me is proof.
I do not believe that a Jewish man is the creator God and I do not believe in soul travel.
These are for the weak-minded and weak-kneed. What is sad about this is that your belief in such nonsense exposes you to another weak-kneed and weak-minded person who not only imposes himself on you but also empties your wallet.
So, for me, you need to show me the proof or take your weak mind and weak knees elsewhere.

[Kwame Nyame 64]

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People from all over the world and from all walks of life have had personal experiences with the ECK Masters years before Paul Twitchell brought them to the public eye.

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Better yet, meet them for yourself. That's the real proof for any spiritual seeker.

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