For those who do not believe there’s GOD...

[dr.luv]

The Professor and the Christian

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"Let me explain the problem science has with Jesus Christ."

The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand. "You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"

"Yes, sir."

"So you believe in God?"

"Absolutely."

"Is God good?"

"Sure! God's good."

"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"

"Yes."

"Are you good or evil?"

"The Bible says I'm evil."

The professor grins knowingly. "Ahh! THE BIBLE!" He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help them? Would you try?"

"Yes sir, I would."

"So you're good...!"

"I wouldn't say that."

"Why not say that? You would help a sick and maimed person if you could.... in fact most of us would if we could...God doesn't."

[No answer.]

"He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"

[No answer]

The elderly man is sympathetic. "No, you can't, can you?" He takes a sipofwater from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. Inphilosophy, you have to go easy with the new ones. "Let's start again, youngfella."

"Is God good?"

"Er... Yes."

"Is Satan good?"

"No."

"Where does Satan come from?"

The student falters. "From... God..."

"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he?" The elderly man runs his bony fingers through his thinning hair and turns to the smirking, student audience. "I think we're going to have a lot of fun this semester, ladiesand gentlemen." He turns back to the Christian. "Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"

"Yes, sir."

"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? Did God make everything?"

"Yes."

"Who created evil?"

[No answer]

"Is there sickness in this world? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All the terrible things - do they exist in this world?"

The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."

"Who created them?"

[No answer]

The professor suddenly shouts at his student. "WHO CREATED THEM? TELL ME, PLEASE! "The professor closes in for the kill and climbs into the Christian's face. In a still small voice: "God created all evil, didn't He, son?"

[No answer]

The student tries to hold the steady, experienced gaze and fails. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace the front of the classroom like an aging panther. The class is mesmerized.

"Tell me," he continues, "how is it that this God is good if He created all evil throughout all time?" The professor swishes his arms around to encompass the wickedness of the world. "All the hatred, the brutality, all the pain, all the torture, all the death and ugliness and all the suffering created by this good God is all over the world, isn't it, young man?"

[No answer]

"Don't you see it all over the place? Huh?"

Pause.

"Don't you?" The professor leans into the student's face again and whispers, "Is God good?"

[No answer]

"Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"

The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor. I do."

The old man shakes his head sadly. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you seen your Jesus?"

"No, sir. I've never seen Him."

"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"

"No, sir. I have not."

"Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus... in fact, do you have any sensory perception of your God whatsoever?"

[No answer]

"Answer me, please."

"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."

"You're AFRAID... you haven't?"

"No, sir."

"Yet you still believe in him?"

"...yes..."

"That takes FAITH!" The professor smiles sagely at the underling. "According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son? Where is your God now?"

[The student doesn't answer]

"Sit down, please." The Christian sits...Defeated.

Another Christian raises his hand. "Professor, may I address the class?"

The professor turns and smiles. "Ah, another Christian in the vanguard! Come, come, young man. Speak some proper wisdom to the gathering."

The Christian looks around the room. "Some interesting points you are making, sir. Now I've got a question for you. Is there such thing as heat?"

"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."

"Is there such a thing as cold?" "Yes, son, there's cold too."

"No, sir, there isn't."

The professor's grin freezes. The room suddenly goes very still. The second Christian continues. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder than 458 - You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."

Silence. A pin drops somewhere in the classroom.

"Is there such a thing as darkness, professor?"

"That's a dumb question, son. What is night if it isn't darkness? What are you getting at...?"

"So you say there is such a thing as darkness?"

"Yes..."

"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, Darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker and give me a jar of it. Can you...give me a jar of darker darkness, professor?"

Despite himself, the professor smiles at the young effrontery before him. This will indeed be a good semester. "Would you mind telling us what your point is, young man?"

"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with and so your conclusion must be in error...."

The professor goes toxic. "Flawed...? How dare you...!"

"Sir, may I explain what I mean?"

The class is all ears. "Explain... oh, explain..." The professor makes an admirable effort to regain control. Suddenly he is affability itself. He waves his hand to silence the class, for the student to continue.

"You are working on the premise of duality," the Christian explains. "That for example there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science cannot even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism but has never seen, much less fully understood them. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, merely the absence of it." The young man holds up a newspaper he takes from the desk of a neighbor who has been reading it. "Here is one of the most disgusting tabloids this country hosts, professor. Is there such a thing as immorality?"

"Of course there is, now look..."

"Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely the absence of morality. Is there such thing as injustice? No. Injustice is the absence of justice. Is there such a thing as evil?" The Christian pauses. "Isn't evil the absence of good?" The professor's face has turned an alarming color. He is so angry he is temporarily speechless. The Christian continues. "If there is evil in the world, professor, and we all agree there is, then God, if He exists, must be accomplishing a work through the agency of evil. What is that work, God is accomplishing? The Bible tells us it is to see if each one of us will, of our own free will, choose good over evil."

The professor bridles. "As a philosophical scientist, I don't vie this matter as having anything to do with any choice; as a realist, I absolutely do not recognize the concept of God or any other theological factor as being part of the world equation because God is not observable."

"I would have thought that the absence of God's moral code in this world is probably one of the most observable phenomena going," the Christian replies. "Newspapers make billions of dollars reporting it every week! Tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"

"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do."

"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?" The professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and gives his student a silent, stony stare. "Professor. Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a priest?"

"I'll overlook your impudence in the light of our philosophical discussion. Now, have you quite finished?" the professor hisses.

"So you don't accept God's moral code to do what is righteous?"

"I believe in what is - that's science!"

"Ahh! SCIENCE!" the student's face splits into a grin. "Sir, you rightly state that science is the study of observed phenomena. Science too is a premise which is flawed..."

"SCIENCE IS FLAWED..?" the professor splutters.

The class is in uproar.

The Christian remains standing until the commotion has subsided. "To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, may I give you an example of what I mean?" The professor wisely keeps silent. The Christian looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?"

The class breaks out in laughter. The Christian points towards his elderly, crumbling tutor. "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain... felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain?"

No one appears to have done so. The Christian shakes his head sadly. "It appears no one here has had any sensory perception of the professor's brain whatsoever. Well, according to the rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science, I DECLARE that the professor has no brain."

The class is in chaos.

The Christian sits... Because that is what a chair is for..

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[truemamamia]

lol this student will score F
nice piece

[el Padrino]

I was actually interested in where this was going till I reached evolution = opinion. Nonsense!

[Fatso]

Is it possible that design happens without a designer by chance? Also, God is not finite; so it is impossible to explain his or her existence in finite terms. Yet, God leaves footprints of his or her existence in both the orderliness and disorderliness of nature. When science ever conquers death, it will then have the legitimacy to question whether there is a creator or not. A line I heard in a movie intrigued me a lot. A catholic father was questioning how God could allow so much pain and suffering during the Spanish Civil War. A lady popped to discuss his ordeal. She said to the father:

"He is a monster but I still love him"

Sometimes, one has to resign to the fact that it is not humanly possible to understand the every mystery of life. To quote Bob Marley:

"Only a foolish dog will bark at a flying bird"

I believe in divine retribution. The theme runs consistently in the bible. The God of the bible has always endorsed Justice and truth. Human beings have always been so devious and wicked; I really doubt a human being would have tenaciously upheld such an ideal without flinching a bit.

[OPIAMENSA]

A professor without a brain has been able to prove that there is no god or jesus. Imagine that!!!

[k.sankofa]

so evil is the absence of good, and god gave us free will to choose between "good" and "the absence of good?"

to be frank, i'm not sure what that means

[keen observer]

Is it possible that design happens without a designer by chance? Also, God is not finite; so it is impossible to explain his or her existence in finite terms. Yet, God leaves footprints of his or her existence in both the orderliness and disorderliness of nature. When science ever conquers death, it will then have the legitimacy to question whether there is a creator or not. A line I heard in a movie intrigued me a lot. A catholic father was questioning how God could allow so much pain and suffering during the Spanish Civil War. A lady popped to discuss his ordeal. She said to the father:

"He is a monster but I still love him"

Sometimes, one has to resign to the fact that it is not humanly possible to understand the every mystery of life. To quote Bob Marley:

"Only a foolish dog will bark at a flying bird"

I believe in divine retribution. The theme runs consistently in the bible. The God of the bible has always endorsed Justice and truth. Human beings have always been so devious and wicked; I really doubt a human being would have tenaciously upheld such an ideal without flinching a bit.

Nonsense!! It is the truth to ask someone to commit genocide? Go read the bible again and see the number of times that this god asks the Israelite to go kill everybody from a different ethnic group. So STFU already!!

[Mantash]

I was actually interested in where this was going till I reached evolution = opinion. Nonsense!

Huh you lost me, please explain Padrino

[Mantash]

I was actually interested in where this was going till I reached evolution = opinion. Nonsense!

Huh you lost me, please explain Padrino

Boss come again, Are you saying evolution is a fact?

[Q' lypse]

I was actually interested in where this was going till I reached evolution = opinion. Nonsense!

Huh you lost me, please explain Padrino

Boss come again, Are you saying evolution is a fact?

Tash, what do you think of when you hear of evolution?

[Mantash]

I was actually interested in where this was going till I reached evolution = opinion. Nonsense!

Huh you lost me, please explain Padrino

Boss come again, Are you saying evolution is a fact?

Tash, what do you think of when you hear of evolution?

Dude please do not be decieved, Evolution has never been proven! it is not even a theory, but merely a hypothesis which is based on BAD SCIENCE. This in fact qualifies it as a religion since it is based on faith/belief system not fact!

[Q' lypse]

I was actually interested in where this was going till I reached evolution = opinion. Nonsense!

Huh you lost me, please explain Padrino

Boss come again, Are you saying evolution is a fact?

Tash, what do you think of when you hear of evolution?

Dude please do not be decieved, Evolution has never been proven! it is not even a theory, but merely a hypothesis which is based on BAD SCIENCE. This in fact qualifies it as a religion since it is based on faith/belief system not fact!

Is this what you think of when you hear of evolution,

Evolution has never been proven!

it is not even a theory, but merely a hypothesis which is based on BAD SCIENCE. ?

I asked you what you think of the meaning of evolution, I didn't tell you I believe or do not believe in it which makes you conclude that I've been deceived. Haaba
So can you explain to me what it is? Thank you..

[Mantash]

I was actually interested in where this was going till I reached evolution = opinion. Nonsense!

Huh you lost me, please explain Padrino

Boss come again, Are you saying evolution is a fact?

Tash, what do you think of when you hear of evolution?

Dude please do not be decieved, Evolution has never been proven! it is not even a theory, but merely a hypothesis which is based on BAD SCIENCE. This in fact qualifies it as a religion since it is based on faith/belief system not fact!

Is this what you think of when you hear of evolution,

Evolution has never been proven!

it is not even a theory, but merely a hypothesis which is based on BAD SCIENCE. ?

I asked you what you think of the meaning of evolution, I didn't tell you I believe or do not believe in it which makes you conclude that I've been deceived. Haaba
So can you explain to me what it is? Thank you..

C'mon Man we've been down this road b4 on another thread havent' we, I know your stance on evolution or has it changed ?

Anyways, like i stated its a Religion based on very bad science and was a belief held by ancient Greeks and subsequently popularized by Darwin who wrote the book titled

On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life

Guess who those favored "races" are? and what conclusions were drawn about the so called "inferior or savage races"

[Q' lypse]

C'mon Man we've been down this road b4 on another thread havent' we, I know your stance on evolution or has it changed ?

really? what is my stance on it? hmmm

[4th_Official]

mantash where are u?

[4th_Official]

C'mon Man we've been down this road b4 on another thread havent' we, I know your stance on evolution or has it changed ?

really? what is my stance on it? hmmm

qroposo and his questions questions

[RAS]

Evolution is a fact. It is not for only those whose brain have not evolved enough to fully comprehend it. Everything in the universe evolves or grows to a higher state. 80 years ago, the fastest man ran the 100m dash in 10.6 seconds but we all just watched the London olympics and witnessed what happened. If that is not evolution, then maybe Mantash could do us a favor by finding us a better term for it.
Darwin's concept of evolution is totally flawed since he himself existed in the era of beliefs. But we live in the era of knowledge and experience now due to the EVOLUTION of science. Even christianity, which is a religon, has evolved from totally believing everything in the Bible to a more humane one due to the evolution of the human brain.
It is a fact that modern humans are way smarter than humans of 1000 yrs ago and i've already noticed traits in my 7 yr old son that signifies a higher mental prowess than mine.

[OPIAMENSA]

...Even christianity, which is a religon, has evolved from totally believing everything in the Bible to a more humane one due to the evolution of the human brain....It is a fact that modern humans are way smarter than humans of 1000 yrs ago and i've already noticed traits in my 7 yr old son that signifies a higher mental prowess than mine.

Sadly, for African Christians, god has evolved into a white man. This flawed concept is psychologically damaging. Truth is African Christians cannot look you in the eye and tell you that their god is a white man. They will often resort to evasive arguments. They will say skin colour is not relevant, yet they continue to bow down to this dead white man on a cross.

Conclusion: All African Christians are mentally ill.

[O-prime]

...Even christianity, which is a religon, has evolved from totally believing everything in the Bible to a more humane one due to the evolution of the human brain....It is a fact that modern humans are way smarter than humans of 1000 yrs ago and i've already noticed traits in my 7 yr old son that signifies a higher mental prowess than mine.

Sadly, for African Christians, god has evolved into a white man. This flawed concept is psychologically damaging. Truth is African Christians cannot look you in the eye and tell you that their god is a white man. They will often resort to evasive arguments. They will say skin colour is not relevant, yet they continue to bow down to this dead white man on a cross.

Conclusion: All African Christians are mentally ill.

It's funny but it's not....

[Mantash]

Evolution is a fact. It is not for only those whose brain have not evolved enough to fully comprehend it. Everything in the universe evolves or grows to a higher state. 80 years ago, the fastest man ran the 100m dash in 10.6 seconds but we all just watched the London olympics and witnessed what happened. If that is not evolution, then maybe Mantash could do us a favor by finding us a better term for it.
Darwin's concept of evolution is totally flawed since he himself existed in the era of beliefs. But we live in the era of knowledge and experience now due to the EVOLUTION of science. Even christianity, which is a religon, has evolved from totally believing everything in the Bible to a more humane one due to the evolution of the human brain.
It is a fact that modern humans are way smarter than humans of 1000 yrs ago and i've already noticed traits in my 7 yr old son that signifies a higher mental prowess than mine.

What is evolution?