Q'lypse

[Mantash]

Boss can you break it up into paragraphs or something its too hard to read.

[AfroSamurai]

Mantash you cunningly asked Kwame about his faith and then unleashed your premeditated attack on ECK.

oh menua (my brother), you don't say oo. Can you imagine?

I would like to make a small but in my view important point here.
If a person makes up his mind about something; if he come to a certain realisation on the basis of his own inner source ,then he knows it and this cannot be taken away from him no matter what.
However,if he googles it,reads it or he is told about something,then doubt comes into the equation.
This is because the knowledge he has acquired is superficial,it came from an outside source.
Quite often you see that a person's attack or criticism of another is based purely on information gained from outside and not from his own personal experience. When this happens,it is normally because of fear; fear of the unknown. If something doesn't sit well with you,attack it.
Some of us too are simply too lazy to sit up a do serious enquiries.
Pay attention to the things you say.You will quickly find out what things are truly your own and those that you only parrot.Sincerity is vital here.
What truth do you hold? How did you come upon this truth?
These are fine point to consider when agreeing or disagreeing with a matter up for discussion.
Kwame Nyame.

Are you really serious??? I don't even know where to begin

Your own name, date of birth you got from an outside source, didn't you? you were taught how to speak, write, walk from an outside source?? or you learned all these by your self??

So according to you, everything on google, written down in books etc and everything someone tells you is a lie right, then quit reading Eckanckar material and listening to what they say, its all lies, remember its all external , so its superficial , please discard it, as well as everything else you've learned here on earth, since you were not born with any information at all or were you?

How then do you then rely on your own inner source when you had to be taught about the world and how to live in it?

What do I have to fear from Eckanckar that i would need to attack you or it?

Some of us too are simply too lazy to sit up a do serious enquiries.
Pay attention to the things you say.You will quickly find out what things are truly your own and those that you only parrot.Sincerity is vital here.
What truth do you hold? How did you come upon this truth?

Wow, I like how you start with the personal attacks now I'm Lazy and parroting, huh, Parroting what exactly???

I asked you questions based on my research and WRT to laziness thing, you were even too lazy to figure out it was Gboye who started the thread and pinned on me, so who is does that cap fit now?

Anyway lets try and get past all this, all I am trying to do is ascertain the truth of your religion. I have questions that you havent answered yet and then some more questions which I hope you will respond to.

It is not the now generation fault to be blame of the God cult religious destructions which has create deeply delusion. Be calm to each other.

"Two thousand years of history could not be wipe so easily" > Bob Marley > Zion Train

It will take the earthling about 800 years to overcome all this God cult religious destructions. it nice that everyone polarize their experience. We are all on these earth to evolve higher and sooner we will all approach the effective truth as life keep going on.

We are already living in hell on earth. We still have to be critical about ourself and things that goes wrong.

Love, peace and harmony that can create heaven on earth!!! This is a hard work and our own responsibility.

[Q' lypse]

Mantash wrote:

I do not subscribe to any denomination, those are man made. I go to a Bible believing, and teaching church.

So denominations are man-made and the Bible is not? Hmmm. I see.

And did u ask Kwame Nyame "so Klemp(Mahanta) is now God?"

Why can't Klemp be God? Doesn't your Bible say Jesus is God?

If Klemp is God let him prove it then

He exists, just like you exist, thats enough proof

[Q' lypse]

Well Christianity does teach those questions you were asking ie

2.To worship him and

3.For his pleasure

All things were created for his pleasure

HIS? This is your belief, am I right?

[quophi aletse]

Mantash wrote:

I do not subscribe to any denomination, those are man made. I go to a Bible believing, and teaching church.

So denominations are man-made and the Bible is not? Hmmm. I see.

And did u ask Kwame Nyame "so Klemp(Mahanta) is now God?"

Why can't Klemp be God? Doesn't your Bible say Jesus is God?

If Klemp is God let him prove it then

He exists, just like you exist, thats enough proof

[opambour]

Repent y'all and accept jesus as the only way to eternal salvation and escape eternal doom in the lake of fire

[RAS]

Mantash,
Since u asked KwameNyame to prove that Harold Klemp is God, can you, likewise, prove to me that Jesus is God? If he is, which one is he? Yahweh, the butcher of the Old Testament, or the Lord of the Psalms and Proverbs, or My father as spoken of by Jesus or the one with four facades, wings, an engine and exhaust smoke as depicted by Ezekiel? This is from your own Bible? Which one?

[RAS]

Repent y'all and accept jesus as the only way to eternal salvation and escape eternal doom in the lake of fire

Mr Stone Stitcher(or is it Rock Tailor?),
Hebrews 8:10-11 clearly states, Now, this is the covenant that I will make with the people of Israel in the days to come, says the Lord: I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. None of them will have to teach their friends or tell their neighbors, ‘Know the Lord.’ For they will all know me, from the least to the greatest.

So (according to this passage), we understand the following 3 things:

1. God will put his laws (i.e., precepts, ways, guide, etc.) in people's minds and write them in their hearts.

2. That the relationship will be personal (not corporate or congregational).

3. No one will have to teach others about God or about getting to "know the Lord" because EVERYONE will know him regardless of who you are.

So, if you believe the bible to be true, and you follow what it says, then why are your churches, pastors, evangelists, members, saints and friends still trying to do what their bible says there is no longer a need to do?

[Q' lypse]

Repent y'all and accept jesus as the only way to eternal salvation and escape eternal doom in the lake of fire

Mr Stone Stitcher(or is it Rock Tailor?),

Rock tailor paa

[quophi aletse]

oh i remember this thread ..... .the best thread on this forum be this paaa ... make i re - read am and make happy koraaa ......

[Mantash]

Mantash,
Since u asked KwameNyame to prove that Harold Klemp is God, can you, likewise, prove to me that Jesus is God? If he is, which one is he? Yahweh, the butcher of the Old Testament, or the Lord of the Psalms and Proverbs, or My father as spoken of by Jesus or the one with four facades, wings, an engine and exhaust smoke as depicted by Ezekiel? This is from your own Bible? Which one?

If i was able to prove he is god would you believe in him?

[Q' lypse]

Mantash,
Since u asked KwameNyame to prove that Harold Klemp is God, can you, likewise, prove to me that Jesus is God? If he is, which one is he? Yahweh, the butcher of the Old Testament, or the Lord of the Psalms and Proverbs, or My father as spoken of by Jesus or the one with four facades, wings, an engine and exhaust smoke as depicted by Ezekiel? This is from your own Bible? Which one?

If i was able to prove he is god would you believe in him?

[quophi aletse]

Mantash,
Since u asked KwameNyame to prove that Harold Klemp is God, can you, likewise, prove to me that Jesus is God? If he is, which one is he? Yahweh, the butcher of the Old Testament, or the Lord of the Psalms and Proverbs, or My father as spoken of by Jesus or the one with four facades, wings, an engine and exhaust smoke as depicted by Ezekiel? This is from your own Bible? Which one?

If i was able to prove he is god would you believe in him?

......

[Q' lypse]

Tash and his texts measuring instruments and formulas wanting to prove God to people. I don't know why you are so worked up trying so hard. Just concentrate on yourself massa. Know thyself...

Oh, hmmm

[RAS]

Mantash,
Since u asked KwameNyame to prove that Harold Klemp is God, can you, likewise, prove to me that Jesus is God? If he is, which one is he? Yahweh, the butcher of the Old Testament, or the Lord of the Psalms and Proverbs, or My father as spoken of by Jesus or the one with four facades, wings, an engine and exhaust smoke as depicted by Ezekiel? This is from your own Bible? Which one?

If i was able to prove he is god would you believe in him?

Mantash,(is your wife Womantash?)
I do not do beliefs. Are gods to know or to believe in? Are facts to know or to believe in? If your god is authentic, you'd know him and not believe in him.
Anyway, if you were to prove Jesus as God, which one would he be? Jehovah, the Hitler stereotype with his special people, the Lord of King Solomon or the Father of Jesus?

[Kwame Nyame 64]

Mantash,
Since u asked KwameNyame to prove that Harold Klemp is God, can you, likewise, prove to me that Jesus is God? If he is, which one is he? Yahweh, the butcher of the Old Testament, or the Lord of the Psalms and Proverbs, or My father as spoken of by Jesus or the one with four facades, wings, an engine and exhaust smoke as depicted by Ezekiel? This is from your own Bible? Which one?

If i was able to prove he is god would you believe in him?

A true Master will respect the personal space of another. They'll not enter your space without permission.
If you want to know who Sri Harold Klemp is, send him an invitation. You can write to him.His address can be found at http://www.eckankar.org. You don't have to post the letter.it doesn't make any difference. You will get a reply.
Before bedtime,you can ask him to come and show you or explain who he is or his role on earth. You can ask him any question you want.
When you are ready,you will meet him.
An elderly man in Ghana wanted to know about Harold Klemp. He attended an ECKANKAR introductory talk and wanted answers to some questions from the ECK members who organised the introductory talk.
He came back the next day wanting to join ECKANKAR. Usually seeker as asked to take things slowly; read the ECK books,practices the spiritual exercises for sometime before deciding whether they are ready for the ECK teachings. There's no hurry in spiritual matters.
But this man wanted to become a member straight away.
He is reported to have said impatiently. Paraphrasing here....... Look here! Do you think I was born yesterday? I know what I experience. Please give me a registration form now. I known what I'm talking about.

So Im mentioning this to make a point. I cannot proof anything about ECKANKAR or Sri Harold Klemp to you.
If you are interested in finding out who the ECK Master is,he will find a way to answer your call. You may get a letter from him. He may appear to you physically. He may come in your dreams. Or he may send one of his students or aids to you.
He will come to you in a way you can handle or accept.
So like we say in Ghana, Over to you Joe Lartey!
WHO IS HAROLD KLEMP?
Biographical Note

Harold Klemp was born in Wisconsin and grew up on a small farm. He attended a two-room country schoolhouse before going to high school at a religious boarding school in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

After preministerial college in Milwaukee and Fort Wayne, Indiana, he enlisted in the U.S. Air Force. There he trained as a language specialist at Indiana University and a radio intercept operator at Goodfellow AFB, Texas. Then followed a two-year stint in Japan where he first encountered Eckankar.

In October 1981, he became the spiritual leader of Eckankar, Religion of the Light and Sound of God. His full title is Sri Harold Klemp, the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master. As the Living ECK Master, Harold Klemp is responsible for the continued evolution of the Eckankar teachings.

His mission is to help people find their way back to God in this life. Harold Klemp travels to ECK seminars in North America, Europe, and the South Pacific. He has also visited Africa and many countries throughout the world, meeting with spiritual seekers and giving inspirational talks. There are many videocassettes and audiocassettes of his public talks available.

In his talks and writings, Harold Klemp's sense of humor and practical approach to spirituality have helped many people around the world find truth in their lives and greater inner freedom, wisdom, and love.

International Who's Who of Intellectuals,
Ninth Edition

Reprinted with permission of Melrose Press Ltd., Cambridge, England, excerpted from International Who's Who of Intellectuals, Ninth Edition. Copyright ©1992 by Melrose Press Ltd.

[Q' lypse]

Mantash,
Since u asked KwameNyame to prove that Harold Klemp is God, can you, likewise, prove to me that Jesus is God? If he is, which one is he? Yahweh, the butcher of the Old Testament, or the Lord of the Psalms and Proverbs, or My father as spoken of by Jesus or the one with four facades, wings, an engine and exhaust smoke as depicted by Ezekiel? This is from your own Bible? Which one?

If i was able to prove he is god would you believe in him?

A true Master will respect the personal space of another. They'll not enter your space without permission.
If you want to know who Sri Harold Klemp is, send him an invitation. You can write to him.His address can be found at http://www.eckankar.org. You don't have to post the letter.it doesn't make any difference. You will get a reply.
Before bedtime,you can ask him to come and show you or explain who he is or his role on earth. You can ask him any question you want.
When you are ready,you will meet him.

So Kwame, have you had any ghanaweb members signing up?

[Kwame Nyame 64]

Mantash,
Since u asked KwameNyame to prove that Harold Klemp is God, can you, likewise, prove to me that Jesus is God? If he is, which one is he? Yahweh, the butcher of the Old Testament, or the Lord of the Psalms and Proverbs, or My father as spoken of by Jesus or the one with four facades, wings, an engine and exhaust smoke as depicted by Ezekiel? This is from your own Bible? Which one?

If i was able to prove he is god would you believe in him?

A true Master will respect the personal space of another. They'll not enter your space without permission.
If you want to know who Sri Harold Klemp is, send him an invitation. You can write to him.His address can be found at http://www.eckankar.org. You don't have to post the letter.it doesn't make any difference. You will get a reply.
Before bedtime,you can ask him to come and show you or explain who he is or his role on earth. You can ask him any question you want.
When you are ready,you will meet him.

So Kwame, have you had any ghanaweb members signing up?

Qlypse, it might interest you to know my thread " A Spiritual Exercise To Try" has about 34,000 hits in about two years.
I cannot say how many had experiences or benefited from trying these spiritual techniques. I don't know how many may have joined the ECK teachings or decide to join in future.
I get emails and PM from forumers now and again for further information,discussion,clarification and I must admit challenges. My main aim being here is to share what is working for me and learning from many of you.
Some forumers heard about the ECK teaching on Ghanaweb and through that attended ECK programme.
ECKANKAR is a world wide religion. It can be found in nearly every country on earth.
There are many many people joining the ECK teachings because they are looking for spirituality and not religion. By this, I mean joining a path where they set up their own spiritual laboratory at home and go at a pace they choose.
There are many instances where people from other religions and paths have benefited from singing HU, a sacred and most powerful charge word for spiritual upliftment.
Soul Travel is a huge attraction. Many come into the ECK teaching to learn Soul Travel so they are able to unfold spiritually and gain proof of the existence of God and life after death.
The Spiritual Leader of ECKANKAR has the spiritual authority to teach Soul Travel.
There are many other spiritual techniques thought ECK students so they are able to eg visit golden wisdom temples in the inner worlds to learn about the secrets of life and who and what they are.
It is said that once a student is ready,there's no power in the universe to prevent the appearance of the Master.
Think about this carefully. It is a most powerful statement. It also means if one is not ready,he is not ready.
Generally,it takes several lifetimes and many inner preparation for this meeting. You will know when this takes place.
I think I've said enough here.

"When you're ready for something more durable than philosophy,metaphysics,or orthodox religion,then you're ready for the knowledge that grants love,wisdom, and spiritual freedom. These three qualities are available through the teachings of ECK"
The Call Of Soul"
- Harold Klemp

"Sing HU, a special name for God. When you sing HU, you agree to let Divine Spirit do what is best for you. Singing HU does not guarantee a healing, but it does arrange for the conditions that are best for spiritual unfoldment."
- Harold Klemp
http://www.eckankar.org

[Q' lypse]

Qlypse, it might interest you to know my thread " A Spiritual Exercise To Try" has about 34,000 hits in about two years.
I cannot say how many had experiences or benefited from trying these spiritual techniques. I don't know how many may have joined the ECK teachings or decide to join in future.
I get emails and PM from forumers now and again for further information,discussion,clarification and I must admit challenges. My main aim being here is to share what is working for me and learning from many of you.
Some forumers heard about the ECK teaching on Ghanaweb and through that attended ECK programme.

oh ok, like how i attended the workshop in London..

"When you're ready for something more durable than philosophy,metaphysics,or orthodox religion,then you're ready for the knowledge that grants love,wisdom, and spiritual freedom. These three qualities are available through the teachings of ECK"
The Call Of Soul"
- Harold Klemp

Ambition be dis!
This man has vim paa. Confi paa ni.

[Fatso]

Tash and his texts measuring instruments and formulas wanting to prove God to people. I don't know why you are so worked up trying so hard. Just concentrate on yourself massa. Know thyself...

Oh, hmmm

'Know thyself'! What is it about humans that needs to be know other than our greed, hate, mendacity, treachery and murderous inclinations?