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Did Jesus abolish the Sabbath?

Postby frankboat » Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:45 am

Permit me respond to certain assertions made by Brother Dan Owusu Asiamah ,a preacher on Metro TV who purported to conclude that the Sabbath observance was abolished after the death of Christ and that the New Testament Church never observed the seventh-day Sabbath.

It should be noted that whenever accused of Sabbath breaking, Christ refuted such charge of Sabbath breaking by appealing to the Scriptures: “Have you not read . . .” (Matt 12:3-5). Christ never conceded to have broken the Sabbath commandment. On the contrary, He defended Himself and His disciples from the charge of Sabbath breaking by appealing to the Scriptures.

In chapters 7 to 10, the writer of Hebrews explains at great length how Christ’s atoning sacrifice and subsequent heavenly ministry have replaced com¬pletely the typological (“copy and shadow”—Heb 8:5) function of the Levitical Priesthood and its Temple services. These services Christ “abolished” (Heb 10:9). Thus they are “obsolete” and “ready to vanish away” (Heb 8:13).

Does the writer of Hebrews place the Sabbath in the same category, viewing it as one of the “obsolete” Old Covenant institu¬tions? This is indeed the conclusion drawn by people like Brother Dan Owusu Asiamah.

The “sabbatismos—Sabbath rest” is explicitly and emphatically presented, not as being “obsolete” like the Temple and its services, but as being a divine benefit that still “remains” (Heb 4:9). The verb “remains—apoleipetai” is a present passive tense which literally translated means “has been left behind.” Thus, literally translated, Hebrews 4:9 reads as follows: “So then a Sabbath-keeping has been left behind for the people of God.”

The Roman Empower, Hadrian, in 135 A.D. outlawed Sabbath-keeping and Judaism altogether. This seems to be the first successful attack on doing away with the true seventh-day Sabbath. Before this could fully happen, the Sabbath-keepers had to be ridiculed, persecuted and dehumanized.

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Postby quophi aletse » Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:07 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: eiiii mr. boat ......
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Re: Did Jesus abolish the Sabbath?

Postby thebalck1 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:23 pm

frankboat wrote:Permit me respond to certain assertions made by Brother Dan Owusu Asiamah ,a preacher on Metro TV who purported to conclude that the Sabbath observance was abolished after the death of Christ and that the New Testament Church never observed the seventh-day Sabbath.

It should be noted that whenever accused of Sabbath breaking, Christ refuted such charge of Sabbath breaking by appealing to the Scriptures: “Have you not read . . .” (Matt 12:3-5). Christ never conceded to have broken the Sabbath commandment. On the contrary, He defended Himself and His disciples from the charge of Sabbath breaking by appealing to the Scriptures.

In chapters 7 to 10, the writer of Hebrews explains at great length how Christ’s atoning sacrifice and subsequent heavenly ministry have replaced com¬pletely the typological (“copy and shadow”—Heb 8:5) function of the Levitical Priesthood and its Temple services. These services Christ “abolished” (Heb 10:9). Thus they are “obsolete” and “ready to vanish away” (Heb 8:13).

Does the writer of Hebrews place the Sabbath in the same category, viewing it as one of the “obsolete” Old Covenant institu¬tions? This is indeed the conclusion drawn by people like Brother Dan Owusu Asiamah.

The “sabbatismos—Sabbath rest” is explicitly and emphatically presented, not as being “obsolete” like the Temple and its services, but as being a divine benefit that still “remains” (Heb 4:9). The verb “remains—apoleipetai” is a present passive tense which literally translated means “has been left behind.” Thus, literally translated, Hebrews 4:9 reads as follows: “So then a Sabbath-keeping has been left behind for the people of God.”

The Roman Empower, Hadrian, in 135 A.D. outlawed Sabbath-keeping and Judaism altogether. This seems to be the first successful attack on doing away with the true seventh-day Sabbath. Before this could fully happen, the Sabbath-keepers had to be ridiculed, persecuted and dehumanized.

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WHO is this "Jesus" character? so far as I know from my history Yahoshua never came here to abolish Yah's sabbath, but to make the words of the prophets come true as he HIMSELF said :idea: :idea:
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Re: Did Jesus abolish the Sabbath?

Postby OPIAMENSA » Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:18 pm

frankboat wrote:Permit me respond to certain assertions made by Brother Dan Owusu Asiamah ,a preacher on Metro TV who purported to conclude that the Sabbath observance was abolished after the death of Christ and that the New Testament Church never observed the seventh-day Sabbath.

It should be noted that whenever accused of Sabbath breaking, Christ refuted such charge of Sabbath breaking by appealing to the Scriptures: “Have you not read . . .” (Matt 12:3-5). Christ never conceded to have broken the Sabbath commandment. On the contrary, He defended Himself and His disciples from the charge of Sabbath breaking by appealing to the Scriptures.

In chapters 7 to 10, the writer of Hebrews explains at great length how Christ’s atoning sacrifice and subsequent heavenly ministry have replaced com¬pletely the typological (“copy and shadow”—Heb 8:5) function of the Levitical Priesthood and its Temple services. These services Christ “abolished” (Heb 10:9). Thus they are “obsolete” and “ready to vanish away” (Heb 8:13).

Does the writer of Hebrews place the Sabbath in the same category, viewing it as one of the “obsolete” Old Covenant institu¬tions? This is indeed the conclusion drawn by people like Brother Dan Owusu Asiamah.

The “sabbatismos—Sabbath rest” is explicitly and emphatically presented, not as being “obsolete” like the Temple and its services, but as being a divine benefit that still “remains” (Heb 4:9). The verb “remains—apoleipetai” is a present passive tense which literally translated means “has been left behind.” Thus, literally translated, Hebrews 4:9 reads as follows: “So then a Sabbath-keeping has been left behind for the people of God.”

The Roman Empower, Hadrian, in 135 A.D. outlawed Sabbath-keeping and Judaism altogether. This seems to be the first successful attack on doing away with the true seventh-day Sabbath. Before this could fully happen, the Sabbath-keepers had to be ridiculed, persecuted and dehumanized.

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Frank Boat the plagiarist is back!

The view you express here can be found on www.scribd.com

I wonder if you have a self-made opinion on any subject?
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Re: Did Jesus abolish the Sabbath?

Postby Q' lypse » Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:38 am

OPIAMENSA wrote:
frankboat wrote:Permit me respond to certain assertions made by Brother Dan Owusu Asiamah ,a preacher on Metro TV who purported to conclude that the Sabbath observance was abolished after the death of Christ and that the New Testament Church never observed the seventh-day Sabbath.

It should be noted that whenever accused of Sabbath breaking, Christ refuted such charge of Sabbath breaking by appealing to the Scriptures: “Have you not read . . .” (Matt 12:3-5). Christ never conceded to have broken the Sabbath commandment. On the contrary, He defended Himself and His disciples from the charge of Sabbath breaking by appealing to the Scriptures.

In chapters 7 to 10, the writer of Hebrews explains at great length how Christ’s atoning sacrifice and subsequent heavenly ministry have replaced com¬pletely the typological (“copy and shadow”—Heb 8:5) function of the Levitical Priesthood and its Temple services. These services Christ “abolished” (Heb 10:9). Thus they are “obsolete” and “ready to vanish away” (Heb 8:13).

Does the writer of Hebrews place the Sabbath in the same category, viewing it as one of the “obsolete” Old Covenant institu¬tions? This is indeed the conclusion drawn by people like Brother Dan Owusu Asiamah.

The “sabbatismos—Sabbath rest” is explicitly and emphatically presented, not as being “obsolete” like the Temple and its services, but as being a divine benefit that still “remains” (Heb 4:9). The verb “remains—apoleipetai” is a present passive tense which literally translated means “has been left behind.” Thus, literally translated, Hebrews 4:9 reads as follows: “So then a Sabbath-keeping has been left behind for the people of God.”

The Roman Empower, Hadrian, in 135 A.D. outlawed Sabbath-keeping and Judaism altogether. This seems to be the first successful attack on doing away with the true seventh-day Sabbath. Before this could fully happen, the Sabbath-keepers had to be ridiculed, persecuted and dehumanized.

Frank Kwadwo Boateng
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Frank Boat the plagiarist is back!

The view you express here can be found on www.scribd.com

I wonder if you have a self-made opinion on any subject?
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Re: Did Jesus abolish the Sabbath?

Postby KesefAryeh » Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:07 pm

OPIAMENSA wrote:
frankboat wrote:Permit me respond to certain assertions made by Brother Dan Owusu Asiamah ,a preacher on Metro TV who purported to conclude that the Sabbath observance was abolished after the death of Christ and that the New Testament Church never observed the seventh-day Sabbath.

It should be noted that whenever accused of Sabbath breaking, Christ refuted such charge of Sabbath breaking by appealing to the Scriptures: “Have you not read . . .” (Matt 12:3-5). Christ never conceded to have broken the Sabbath commandment. On the contrary, He defended Himself and His disciples from the charge of Sabbath breaking by appealing to the Scriptures.

In chapters 7 to 10, the writer of Hebrews explains at great length how Christ’s atoning sacrifice and subsequent heavenly ministry have replaced com¬pletely the typological (“copy and shadow”—Heb 8:5) function of the Levitical Priesthood and its Temple services. These services Christ “abolished” (Heb 10:9). Thus they are “obsolete” and “ready to vanish away” (Heb 8:13).

Does the writer of Hebrews place the Sabbath in the same category, viewing it as one of the “obsolete” Old Covenant institu¬tions? This is indeed the conclusion drawn by people like Brother Dan Owusu Asiamah.

The “sabbatismos—Sabbath rest” is explicitly and emphatically presented, not as being “obsolete” like the Temple and its services, but as being a divine benefit that still “remains” (Heb 4:9). The verb “remains—apoleipetai” is a present passive tense which literally translated means “has been left behind.” Thus, literally translated, Hebrews 4:9 reads as follows: “So then a Sabbath-keeping has been left behind for the people of God.”

The Roman Empower, Hadrian, in 135 A.D. outlawed Sabbath-keeping and Judaism altogether. This seems to be the first successful attack on doing away with the true seventh-day Sabbath. Before this could fully happen, the Sabbath-keepers had to be ridiculed, persecuted and dehumanized.

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Frank Boat the plagiarist is back!

The view you express here can be found on www.scribd.com

I wonder if you have a self-made opinion on any subject?


The Sabbath Day was never abolished, Christians so-called followers of "Christ", DON'T READ - NOR- UNDERSTAND, the Bible, that's the issue here. The man, they incorrectly refer to as "Christ" made clear, as part of the re-newed covenant his actions on the Sabbath that, you can do GOOD DEEDS on the Sabbath, things which would've been considered labor in the old covenant.

Also, "Christ" did not rise on Sunday, HE DID NOT die on this so-called "Good Friday" holiday Christians celebrate... this is also FALSE! You can look on any calendar, if he died on Friday and resurrected 3 days afterward, that puts you at Monday, NOT Sunday!!!

Christians were made BY PAGAN ROME to worship on Sunday, all they're doing is continuing that pagan Roman tradition of worship the SUN on Sunday. That's also were the FALSE Easter celebration comes from as well as the lie that "Christ" was born on December 25th.
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Re: Did Jesus abolish the Sabbath?

Postby quophi aletse » Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:56 pm

KesefAryeh wrote:
OPIAMENSA wrote:
frankboat wrote:Permit me respond to certain assertions made by Brother Dan Owusu Asiamah ,a preacher on Metro TV who purported to conclude that the Sabbath observance was abolished after the death of Christ and that the New Testament Church never observed the seventh-day Sabbath.

It should be noted that whenever accused of Sabbath breaking, Christ refuted such charge of Sabbath breaking by appealing to the Scriptures: “Have you not read . . .” (Matt 12:3-5). Christ never conceded to have broken the Sabbath commandment. On the contrary, He defended Himself and His disciples from the charge of Sabbath breaking by appealing to the Scriptures.

In chapters 7 to 10, the writer of Hebrews explains at great length how Christ’s atoning sacrifice and subsequent heavenly ministry have replaced com¬pletely the typological (“copy and shadow”—Heb 8:5) function of the Levitical Priesthood and its Temple services. These services Christ “abolished” (Heb 10:9). Thus they are “obsolete” and “ready to vanish away” (Heb 8:13).

Does the writer of Hebrews place the Sabbath in the same category, viewing it as one of the “obsolete” Old Covenant institu¬tions? This is indeed the conclusion drawn by people like Brother Dan Owusu Asiamah.

The “sabbatismos—Sabbath rest” is explicitly and emphatically presented, not as being “obsolete” like the Temple and its services, but as being a divine benefit that still “remains” (Heb 4:9). The verb “remains—apoleipetai” is a present passive tense which literally translated means “has been left behind.” Thus, literally translated, Hebrews 4:9 reads as follows: “So then a Sabbath-keeping has been left behind for the people of God.”

The Roman Empower, Hadrian, in 135 A.D. outlawed Sabbath-keeping and Judaism altogether. This seems to be the first successful attack on doing away with the true seventh-day Sabbath. Before this could fully happen, the Sabbath-keepers had to be ridiculed, persecuted and dehumanized.

Frank Kwadwo Boateng
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Frank Boat the plagiarist is back!

The view you express here can be found on www.scribd.com

I wonder if you have a self-made opinion on any subject?


The Sabbath Day was never abolished, Christians so-called followers of "Christ", DON'T READ - NOR- UNDERSTAND, the Bible, that's the issue here. The man, they incorrectly refer to as "Christ" made clear, as part of the re-newed covenant his actions on the Sabbath that, you can do GOOD DEEDS on the Sabbath, things which would've been considered labor in the old covenant.

Also, "Christ" did not rise on Sunday, he died on this so-called "Good Friday" holiday Christians celebrate... is also FALSE! You can look on any calendar, if he did on Friday and resurrected 3 days afterward, that puts you at Monday, NOT Sunday!!!

Christians were made BY PAGAN ROME to worship on Sunday, all they're doing is continuing that pagan Roman tradition of worship the SUN on Sunday. That's also were the FALSE Easter celebration comes from as well as the lie that "Christ" was born on December 25th.


is this dada boat??? :lol:
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Re: Did Jesus abolish the Sabbath?

Postby frankboat » Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:39 am

Whiles you were in school. The values and ideologies you were taught in school were some peoples ideas. The political and economic ideologies you preach had been expressed by several people. My aim is to clarify the erroneous teachings on air
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Re: Did Jesus abolish the Sabbath?

Postby Q' lypse » Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:40 pm

frankboat wrote:Whiles you were in school. The values and ideologies you were taught in school were some peoples ideas. The political and economic ideologies you preach had been expressed by several people. My aim is to clarify the erroneous teachings on air


And everything you've said on this thread is from who? You? So called ideologies, where are they from?

Frank, I replied your pm which is basically what you've posted here. Im waiting for a reply wai
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Postby frankboat » Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:27 pm

The ideologies l express are from the Bible. If you really read your Bible, you would realise that they are indeed from the Bible.
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Postby Q' lypse » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:51 pm

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Re: Did Jesus abolish the Sabbath?

Postby Peru » Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:01 pm

frankboat wrote:Permit me respond to certain assertions made by Brother Dan Owusu Asiamah ,a preacher on Metro TV who purported to conclude that the Sabbath observance was abolished after the death of Christ and that the New Testament Church never observed the seventh-day Sabbath.

It should be noted that whenever accused of Sabbath breaking, Christ refuted such charge of Sabbath breaking by appealing to the Scriptures: “Have you not read . . .” (Matt 12:3-5). Christ never conceded to have broken the Sabbath commandment. On the contrary, He defended Himself and His disciples from the charge of Sabbath breaking by appealing to the Scriptures.

In chapters 7 to 10, the writer of Hebrews explains at great length how Christ’s atoning sacrifice and subsequent heavenly ministry have replaced com¬pletely the typological (“copy and shadow”—Heb 8:5) function of the Levitical Priesthood and its Temple services. These services Christ “abolished” (Heb 10:9). Thus they are “obsolete” and “ready to vanish away” (Heb 8:13).

Does the writer of Hebrews place the Sabbath in the same category, viewing it as one of the “obsolete” Old Covenant institu¬tions? This is indeed the conclusion drawn by people like Brother Dan Owusu Asiamah.

The “sabbatismos—Sabbath rest” is explicitly and emphatically presented, not as being “obsolete” like the Temple and its services, but as being a divine benefit that still “remains” (Heb 4:9). The verb “remains—apoleipetai” is a present passive tense which literally translated means “has been left behind.” Thus, literally translated, Hebrews 4:9 reads as follows: “So then a Sabbath-keeping has been left behind for the people of God.”

The Roman Empower, Hadrian, in 135 A.D. outlawed Sabbath-keeping and Judaism altogether. This seems to be the first successful attack on doing away with the true seventh-day Sabbath. Before this could fully happen, the Sabbath-keepers had to be ridiculed, persecuted and dehumanized.

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Jesus observed the Sabbath and broke it at the same time. The Sabbath commandment was given to ancient Israel, not to Christians
As the Sabbath command was part of the Old Covenant Law, which Paul went to great length to inform us that we are no longer under, it makes little difference if one observes it. The Sabbath like ALL aspects of the law of Moses and the law of God, the Torah, the Old Testament, was a shadow of something to come. It pictured something to come that would be the spiritual fulfillment of this command. Jesus Christ was the fulfillment of the Passover lamb. Jesus was slain, and so it would be WRONG for us to continue to slay a Passover lamb every Passover season to cover our sins. Likewise, the Sabbath pictured entering into a REST with God from our own WORKS. Not just our weekly physical labor of earning a living, but ALL OF OUR OWN WORKS.

So, if one tries to KEEP the Sabbath after Christ as already fulfilled it (as with the Passover lamb), then by trying to keep the law you actually BREAK the law! Just like when Paul said if we are circumcised to fulfill the law of circumcision given to Abraham and Israel, to show out spirituality, we indeed "fall from grace." By works of law no flesh at all shall be justified Paul tells us. How can one REST FROM HIS WORKS by keeping (spiritual WORKS) the Sabbath LAW?
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Postby Q' lypse » Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:07 pm

frankboat wrote:The ideologies l express are from the Bible. If you really read your Bible, you would realise that they are indeed from the Bible.
and you think the bible is what? it came by fax from the sky? it is not "political and ideologies expressed by people and their ideas"?

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Postby quophi aletse » Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:17 pm

Q' lypse wrote:
frankboat wrote:The ideologies l express are from the Bible. If you really read your Bible, you would realise that they are indeed from the Bible.
and you think the bible is what? it came by fax from the sky? it is not "political and ideologies expressed by people and their ideas"?

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Re: Did Jesus abolish the Sabbath?

Postby rsamoah » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:33 am

I write in response to Boat’s write-up regarding annulment of the Sabbath as asserted by Bro. Dan Owusu in his Metro TV teachings. In the write-up, Boat sought to explain aspects of the scripture to the effect that the Sabbath law is still operative in Christianity. Unfortunately, those Scriptures referenced by him do not lend support to his views. Neither is his explanation of those Scriptures accurate.
Jesus’ response to the charge brought against him in Matt 12:3-5 is, indeed, contrary to Boat’s view that he did not concede to breaking the Sabbath Law. Explicitly, Jesus alluded to the fact his disciples had contravened the Law, albeit with justification. Referring to the Scriptures, Jesus cited two instances to justify the actions of his disciples rather than argue that they had not broken the Law. By law, David and his companions were barred from eating the consecrated bread in the temple. Equally, the Sabbath law required everyone to rest from his occupational duty including even religious rites by the priests. It was therefore considered that entering the temple on a Sabbath day to perform a religious duty was tantamount to having broken the Sabbath since that was their regular occupation. Note that in both instances Jesus conceded to a contravention of the Law, describing David’s action as “unlawful” and that of the priests as amounting to “desecration” of the Sabbath. Paradoxically, Jesus judged them as not guilty. This may present a difficult dichotomy, but if one understands Jesus’ stance it will not be difficult to agree with him.
To understand Jesus, one needs to appreciate the principles of pre-eminence, priority and exemption. Every society has laws that govern peoples’ daily conduct yet many laws have exemptions in peculiar situations. For example, personnel detailed to provide sensitive security services do not observe national holidays for obvious reasons. In the same way, Fire Service vans and Health Care Ambulances have to flout traffic regulations to perform their emergency duties. Here is where the issue of pre-eminence, priority and exemption comes into play. Jesus reasoned that both David and the priests were performing duties of national significance which had prominence over the Sabbath law requirements and therefore were not guilty, just as a driver of an Ambulance would not be charged by the police for having ignored a red signalling traffic light. That said, Jesus declared, “something (one) greater than the temple is here”. Here, Jesus was comparing the significance of the temple services, as was offered by the priests, to the gospel ministry, as was being propagated by himself and his disciples. Obviously, Jesus valued himself and his gospel ministry as having higher pedigree than the temple services. The logic therefore is that if the temple was of such spiritual significance that those who officiated the temple services had to break the Sabbath law in order to perform their religious duties, how much more Jesus and his disciples who were performing the even greater gospel ministry? This, indeed, opens a window for a deep theological insight – and in case you have not guessed, it signalled that at the dawn of the gospel ministry, the weekly Sabbath would wane into oblivion.
Contrary to Boat’s view, in Hebrews chapters 3- 4, the author envisioned a more fulfilled, futuristic Sabbath rest for God’s people than the obsolete weekly Sabbath. This promise was confirmed through David’s prophecy in Psalm 95:7-11. Indeed the promise of a Rest for God’s people is a long-standing one, having had only partial fulfilments in the weekly Sabbath and the Israelite occupation of Canaan. The author discounted the Canaan rest as the ultimate promise in these words, “If Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day”. Sensing that readers may erroneously be thinking about the Seventh-day Sabbath as the promise in view, the author quickly discounted that thought too with this argument, “Somewhere, he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “And on the seventh day God rested from all his work” – yet in Psalm 95:7-11 it is written: “They shall never enter my rest”. The logic here is that the Sabbath had been observed weekly since Moses to identify the Israelites with God’s own Sabbath rest after creation. If that was the ultimate, would God have spoken of another at the time of David? The ‘creation Sabbath’ herein referred, was linked to livelihood on earth. The Israelites were to work to consolidate their earthly livelihood and rest on the seventh day to identify them with God who also worked for six days and rested on the seventh day. But elsewhere in the gospels, Jesus revealed that God had embarked on a more spiritual work of redemption that ushers us into eternal rest, saying, “My father is still working so I am also working”. Note that God was still working when we know his work has been finished since the creation of the world. And on a Sabbath day? There is no doubt that it was about the redemptive work of atonement which culminates into eternal rest. Therefore the weekly Sabbath was relegated to the background as mere shadow of what was to come. Christ is the outpost and the usher into the eternal rest. Therefore he declared, “Come unto me, all who labour and are heavily burdened and I will give you Rest”. Being the fulfilment of the Sabbath he said, “the son of man is lord even of the Sabbath”. I like the Twi heading for the passage in Hebrews chapter 4: “Onyankopon afiri ne home mu ko ho bohye”. Literally, it means that God has made a new promise in relation to his own rest. This promise did not end with the seventh day Sabbath nor the Canaan rest but as the author explains, it is a promise that transcends the Old Testament times and is still valid (real meaning of “remains”) even in our day. Thus as far as Christianity is concerned we are enjoined to enter that rest by being faithful to God. It is absolutely wrong for Boat and Sabbatharians to think of the ‘remains’ as something left behind. The discourse grammar in the context does not support this idea. Neither does the passage consolidate the Seventh-day Sabbath observance by Christians as Boat and SDAs want us to believe.
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Re: Did Jesus abolish the Sabbath?

Postby senior » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:51 pm

@Frankboat, u stated earlier in your presentation that sunday worship was introduced by the Pagan Rome; that 3 days from Friday will eventually take us to Monday, therefore Christ resurrected on Monday. I will be glad if you could reconcile your assertions with these single verses, Matt 28:1, Mark 16:1, Luke 24:1 and John 20:1, which tell us that the Marys went to find the tomb empty on Sunday morning (a day after sabbath). I know that "you really read your Bible".
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Re: Did Jesus abolish the Sabbath?

Postby Q' lypse » Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:21 pm

senior, don't hold your breath, Frankboat maybe some kind of bot for all we know.. you will wait till you turn into nkrapai

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Re: Did Jesus abolish the Sabbath?

Postby thebalck1 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:35 am

Firstly to engage in this discussion people have to use facts.

FACT 1. There was NO CHARACTER called "Jesus Christ" walking around the Holy land 2000 years ago.

Please do your research on this.

There is more than enough data and information out there to prove this fact. "Jesus Christ" was a creation of Gentiles under Constantine at the council of Nicea and is a composite of a whole bunch of near eastern pagan deities. The word "Jesus" is not even in the 1611 King James Bible (a quick google search will show you this). The name usesd was Iesus. J as a letter is not even 400 years old, so how can "Jesus Christ" have been walking around 2000 ago in YsraYL when the word (name) did not exist?

There was a man however called Yahosua ben Yahuda which is his TRUE NAME.

Yah-Hoshua which means Yah's salvation.

Yah is the name of the Most High (not god).

Christianity has NOTHING to do with the bible. NOTHING.

If people got of their asses and stopped listening to their lying pastors and READ and researched the book FORTHEMSELVES they would start to see that what they are thought in churches on "sunday" has NOTHING to do with what is in the bible or what Yahoshua or any of the prophets of the most High Yah came to proclaim to his people YsraYL.

We can't be having discussions based in IGNORANCE.

Yahoshua was crucified on a WEDNESDAY and thus the time that the sisters found the tomb empty as the bible states would add up to 3 days.

Remember: A day according to the most high Yah is from SUNSET TO SUNSET. So from the Wednesday he was crucified to when the sisters went to the tomb on the first day after shabbat (Saturday) would be 3 days.

SUNSET WED to SUNSET THURSDAY = 1 Day
SUSET THURSDAY to SUNSET FRIDAY = 2 Days
SUNSET FRIDAY to SUNSET SATURDAY (which is the shabbat) = 3 Days

SO by the time the sisters arrived on the 1st day of the week (sunday) he had risen already

Not the foolishness of "good friday" to sunday LESS THAN 3 DAYS that "christianity teaches us".

Again GO RESEARCH ALL of this for yourselves don't take mine or any mans "word" for it.
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Re: Did Jesus abolish the Sabbath?

Postby DivineDove » Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:48 am

Peru wrote:
frankboat wrote:Permit me respond to certain assertions made by Brother Dan Owusu Asiamah ,a preacher on Metro TV who purported to conclude that the Sabbath observance was abolished after the death of Christ and that the New Testament Church never observed the seventh-day Sabbath.

It should be noted that whenever accused of Sabbath breaking, Christ refuted such charge of Sabbath breaking by appealing to the Scriptures: “Have you not read . . .” (Matt 12:3-5). Christ never conceded to have broken the Sabbath commandment. On the contrary, He defended Himself and His disciples from the charge of Sabbath breaking by appealing to the Scriptures.

In chapters 7 to 10, the writer of Hebrews explains at great length how Christ’s atoning sacrifice and subsequent heavenly ministry have replaced com¬pletely the typological (“copy and shadow”—Heb 8:5) function of the Levitical Priesthood and its Temple services. These services Christ “abolished” (Heb 10:9). Thus they are “obsolete” and “ready to vanish away” (Heb 8:13).

Does the writer of Hebrews place the Sabbath in the same category, viewing it as one of the “obsolete” Old Covenant institu¬tions? This is indeed the conclusion drawn by people like Brother Dan Owusu Asiamah.

The “sabbatismos—Sabbath rest” is explicitly and emphatically presented, not as being “obsolete” like the Temple and its services, but as being a divine benefit that still “remains” (Heb 4:9). The verb “remains—apoleipetai” is a present passive tense which literally translated means “has been left behind.” Thus, literally translated, Hebrews 4:9 reads as follows: “So then a Sabbath-keeping has been left behind for the people of God.”

The Roman Empower, Hadrian, in 135 A.D. outlawed Sabbath-keeping and Judaism altogether. This seems to be the first successful attack on doing away with the true seventh-day Sabbath. Before this could fully happen, the Sabbath-keepers had to be ridiculed, persecuted and dehumanized.

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Jesus observed the Sabbath and broke it at the same time. The Sabbath commandment was given to ancient Israel, not to Christians
As the Sabbath command was part of the Old Covenant Law, which Paul went to great length to inform us that we are no longer under, it makes little difference if one observes it. The Sabbath like ALL aspects of the law of Moses and the law of God, the Torah, the Old Testament, was a shadow of something to come. It pictured something to come that would be the spiritual fulfillment of this command. Jesus Christ was the fulfillment of the Passover lamb. Jesus was slain, and so it would be WRONG for us to continue to slay a Passover lamb every Passover season to cover our sins. Likewise, the Sabbath pictured entering into a REST with God from our own WORKS. Not just our weekly physical labor of earning a living, but ALL OF OUR OWN WORKS.

So, if one tries to KEEP the Sabbath after Christ as already fulfilled it (as with the Passover lamb), then by trying to keep the law you actually BREAK the law! Just like when Paul said if we are circumcised to fulfill the law of circumcision given to Abraham and Israel, to show out spirituality, we indeed "fall from grace." By works of law no flesh at all shall be justified Paul tells us. How can one REST FROM HIS WORKS by keeping (spiritual WORKS) the Sabbath LAW?



Peru,

How can Jesus keep and brake a commandment at the same time? Would he then be right to tell people that they can not serve two masters i.e. trying to obey and disobey God (pleasing mammon) at the same time? Do you actually know the weight of your statement that Jesus also broke the sabbath, a commandment of God? This will automatically make Jesus a transgressor of God's commandment and render him blemish and a sinner. Check 1 John 3:4. He would fail to be the Passover Lamb without spot, which you boldly exemplify. Please Bro, let us refrain from these desperate attempts to force the bible to support teachings which are not biblical. We may end up blaspheming.

Again, I will like to ask if Jesus fulfilled other laws like "Thou shall not kill", "Thou shall not steal", "Thou shall not commit adultery", "Thou shall not covert" etc? From your point of view, all these were fulfilled by Jesus (because they are also part of the law of Moses and the law of God, the Torah, the Old Testament ) and hence will not be necessary to keep them, right? And I also guess these laws were also given to ancient Israel alone as well right? Then it will be absolutely OK for a Christian to freely kill, steal, commit adultery, covet and engage in all sorts of practices against all that God forbids because Jesus fulfilled them all. What a tragedy that would be?

Bro, what do you refer to as works of the law? Take for instance, an adulterer who surrenders his life to Jesus and decides that by the help of the Holy Spirit he will no longer commit adultery again for the rest of his life. Would you say this person is living by the works of the law and that he is braking the law by obeying the commandment of God? Will you say he has fallen from grace? I guess you will also say it is OK for him to continue his old life because Jesus has fulfilled the law. That will be a real problem to reconcile this with Gal 5:19-21 which makes it clear that an adulterer will not enter into God's kingdom. How can one be a transgressor of God's laws or engage in the "works of the law" (including the Sabbath) if he keeps it with the help of the Holy Spirit?

In the context, Paul made it so clear what he meant by the "works of the law", namely circumcision, which was a requirement for a Jew to be identified as beneficiary of the commonwealth of Israel. But in Christ, all are children of God and heirs to the eternal commonwealth of heaven, whether Jew or Gentile. Please, it is impossible to force the bible to say what it has not said.

Get this straight; there would be no adulterer if no law forbids adultery, there will be no need of grace for adulterers if there are no adulterers, there will be no need for a Savior to provide that grace if there are no such sinners. I am sure you can deduce the relationship between Law, Sin, Grace and Jesus Christ from here.

The book of Leviticus gives the distinctions between laws that governed the Moral life, the Sanctuary and the Civil life of Israel. It deals with Moral Laws (e.g. Honor your parents) and Prophetic Laws (e.g Passover). Am sure it will help you to understand some of these things well.

God Bless You.
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