SIEGER wrote:.

quophi aletse wrote:SIEGER wrote:.
there are many reason why people(most) on earth fear death.
the ego is at the core of all this ..... the ego hates the unknown and the ego sees death as the end its existence hence death generates great fear.....
conditionality comes into play also where people claim they dont fear death because they are meeting the "right" conditions and following the "right" path or wateva which will make after death certain which alleviates their fear of death on the conscious level ... the funny thing is that the initial energy which prompted the person to look for the right conditions and path make after death certain is fear or its close derivatives.....
fear is not bad, it is a necessary energy because in the absence of fear, love cannot exist and vice versa so let us not give fear a bad rep here.... but with that said we all have choice .... if u prefer to love death rather than fear it(it is one or the other ..... the derivatives of love or fear) ....then examination of beliefs about death is a must because these beliefs within the ego are responsible for the fear regarding death ....


NaMrecco$ wrote:used to be afraid of death, but for the past few years, I have really acepted it as part of life. probably because a lot people that I love or were closed passed away... etc.. dunno but I dont fear it no more... We are all gonna go one day.. The important thing is you live a peaceful life on this earth.

Q' lypse wrote:captain_fred wrote:Q' lypse wrote:SIEGER, what is the meaning of death to you?
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just asking a simple question oo Fred.

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captain_fred wrote:NaMrecco$ wrote:used to be afraid of death, but for the past few years, I have really acepted it as part of life. probably because a lot people that I love or were closed passed away... etc.. dunno but I dont fear it no more... We are all gonna go one day.. The important thing is you live a peaceful life on this earth.
it's not about fear (to me). the only thing is HOW your die. ex, getting shot. would be awful. also leaving behind really young kids. but say you finish school, marry, raise kids, see 'em get old, see your grandkids, and respond to "the call" peacefully in your sleep or on some hospital bed it's all good, you know? but what sucks is when people go through months - years of pain, suffering from some illness or some serious disease. going on and off machines etc.,

captain_fred wrote:NaMrecco$ wrote:used to be afraid of death, but for the past few years, I have really acepted it as part of life. probably because a lot people that I love or were closed passed away... etc.. dunno but I dont fear it no more... We are all gonna go one day.. The important thing is you live a peaceful life on this earth.
it's not about fear (to me). the only thing is HOW your die. ex, getting shot. would be awful. also leaving behind really young kids. but say you finish school, marry, raise kids, see 'em get old, see your grandkids, and respond to "the call" peacefully in your sleep or on some hospital bed it's all good, you know? but what sucks is when people go through months - years of pain, suffering from some illness or some serious disease. going on and off machines etc.,

for me personally (like soccer said) we're all going to die and I've accepted that. but it's HOW and WHEN that concerns me and I feel like I'm also speaking for a majority of people.Q' lypse wrote:captain_fred wrote:NaMrecco$ wrote:used to be afraid of death, but for the past few years, I have really acepted it as part of life. probably because a lot people that I love or were closed passed away... etc.. dunno but I dont fear it no more... We are all gonna go one day.. The important thing is you live a peaceful life on this earth.
it's not about fear (to me). the only thing is HOW your die. ex, getting shot. would be awful. also leaving behind really young kids. but say you finish school, marry, raise kids, see 'em get old, see your grandkids, and respond to "the call" peacefully in your sleep or on some hospital bed it's all good, you know? but what sucks is when people go through months - years of pain, suffering from some illness or some serious disease. going on and off machines etc.,
in other words, giving death(the inevitable) a 'break time' makes death soothing?

Kwame, how often do people lose their lives in the course of doing good for others? or trying to save someone and you lose your life. or even helping someone out and the person repays you with bad which could lead to your death, sickness, etc.? where's the role of karma there?Kwame Nyame 64 wrote:
The years of pain,suffering from illness or some serious disease,going on and off machines or even translating peacefully in your sleep are all due to Karma.
ln life you are credited with the good and debited with the bad.You come and go sowing and reaping.Even death is not an escape.You will return again and again doing the balancing act.
You are on a wheel.The Eastern Mystics call it the wheel of 84.lt is also known as the wheel of AWAGAWAN.
After several turns of the wheel,you may come to a realization;a hang on a minute moment.You accommolated good Karma may help you meet the Godman who duty is to help take you off this wheel.
Of course you cld want to trade such good karma to worldly riches or good fortune.

captain_fred wrote:Kwame, how often do people lose their lives in the course of doing good for others? or trying to save someone and you lose your life. or even helping someone out and the person repays you with bad which could lead to your death, sickness, etc.? where's the role of karma there?Kwame Nyame 64 wrote:
The years of pain,suffering from illness or some serious disease,going on and off machines or even translating peacefully in your sleep are all due to Karma.
ln life you are credited with the good and debited with the bad.You come and go sowing and reaping.Even death is not an escape.You will return again and again doing the balancing act.
You are on a wheel.The Eastern Mystics call it the wheel of 84.lt is also known as the wheel of AWAGAWAN.
After several turns of the wheel,you may come to a realization;a hang on a minute moment.You accommolated good Karma may help you meet the Godman who duty is to help take you off this wheel.
Of course you cld want to trade such good karma to worldly riches or good fortune.

So who is asking this/these question(s)?captain_fred wrote: for me personally (like soccer said) we're all going to die and I've accepted that. but it's HOW and WHEN that concerns me and I feel like I'm also speaking for a majority of people.
captain_fred wrote:how often do we hear the age someone died and make comments like, "gone too soon" or "so young". this has to do with WHEN the person dies. how often do we fear someone dying by getting shot, car accident, some terrible disease and just can't help but get overcome with grief because of HOW the person died?
if we think we r our bodies, then ok. If we think this meat is who we truly are, then ok.captain_fred wrote:that's where the fear is in my opinion. going too soon, and going through harsh means.
what if i tell you you already know how you are going to go out? Tupac knew he would die young and he knew how he was going to die and sang it in a lot of his songs. A statement he once made was, i know how im going to die, it won't be people screaming, noise.... It will be quiet and im just going to fade out. He died in hospital quietly from bullet wounds he suffered. Somehow he knew.captain_fred wrote:some people are able to say good bye to friends and love ones before departing. like some old people are able to say, "the time is near. I'll be leaving soon". they can feel it coming you know? and some people when their parents die at the age of say 96 etc., they don't cry as much because the know and accept that at such an age death is only natural and normal. but suppose a 4 year old kid loses their mom when the mom is about 34. that's just rough. that's where the fear of death lies. it's surprising nature (you don't know WHEN or HOW)
what do you think?

i remember how my friend Diane, a shaman who lives in London told me how she used to see her nephew who died a few months after he was born. The spirit/soul of this baby visited her a few times and told her the reason why it left the body so young. It was a lesson for her (Diane's) brother and the wife. The baby showed her what those two did in a previous life and the agreement they made prior to coming into this life. We don't understand any of this on the conscious level so we go crazy when a little baby passes on and break into hysterical tears and emotions. Human life is too tough.quophi aletse wrote:kids and babies come into this world and die shortly not by accident but with an important purpose of giving the mother and family an opportunity to look at certain issues, or perhaps bring a family in disunity together, etc etc etc and etc ........ there are many reasons why a kid will just come into this world and die shortly ......
quophi aletse wrote:my understanding of karma is that it is self imposed ...... if u kill someone in this life, u are not REQUIRED to come back into the world and be killed ..... my understanding is that if i kill someone in this life, there is or maybe an imbalance imprinted at the soul level due to many variables such as the energy that the person i killed sent my way as i killed him/her which will be a very powerful intensified energy as the experience of being kill seems to be a very intensified experience ...... there maybe many many many other variables that contribute to an imbalance i dont know but with that imbalance (for both the killer and the 1 killed), at the soul level, a being may decide according to that being the best way to balance that imbalance. There is no obligation that hey u killed someone ..... go down there and be killed too....... at the soul level we are very very very wise beings and through our own reflections and moving deeper into our inner core, we are able to decide and make perfect decisions on how to balance our energy among many many other things.

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